Right I have no idea i am so confused. I understand ( don't actually understand but accept thats how it goes) that as my hen is a double factor spangle and the cock is a normal light green I should get 100% green spangles. Are spangles then described further by their colour or they just spangles and thats it. I have 4 bubs - 2 are a more green version of their yellow mother, 1 is the splitting image of the father, and the last one has very pale yellow wings wih hardly any markings with a bluish body. I know I may be stupid but can someone explain to me why or how this all works

The spangle is only talking of the wing patterns. Spangle lessen the black on the wing to fine black lines. (almost looking reverse) When two spangle gene are given to an offspring it removes all markings from the body giving you a all yellow (green) or all white (blue) bird.

 

The colour is another factor in the birds and is controls on another gene. Green is the dominant gene. A green bird can carry the blue gene and give that gene to it's young, when two blue genes are given you get a blue bird.

 

The last one (yellow wings, blue body) sounds like a yellowface blue. This is a blue gene that doesn't remove ALL the yellow from the bird (only works part of the way) It is recessive to green so a green bird can carry it but it is dominant to the normal whiteface blue.

 

I hope that helps a bit Getting into the yellowface gene can be confusing.

Okay cool. Understanding now. Basically I am going to have to go get books on genetics of budgies because now I need to know everything about my babies.

Thanks Nerwen for taking the time to explain to me what the deal is now I'm not so confused.

 

I thought a bit later that I should include these pics

the top one is the bluish one with pale yellow wings. I got alot more diversity then I thought

Edited February 1, 200718 yr by kerrie

The normal green is confusing me. A df spangle should give all spangle babies. He has a pied spot on his head which spangles also get. What does his (or her) tail look like?

 

The first one looks a bit like my first (and only) spangle baby Connie which is owned by a friend. She is in the top name banner on the right.

 

I wonder now if one of your 'green' parents is in fact a yellowface type 2. As they moult the yellow bleeds in to the body colour making it green. Some of them can look just like a normal green.

 

Edit to add: Just found pictures again of your pair and neither show signs of being a yellowface. This means that you where lucky to find out they carry the blue gene

Edited February 1, 200718 yr by Nerwen

Well thankyou so much for that Nerwen. Yes the normal green is what is doing my head in I didnt think that could happen. His tail is exact same as dads really dark indigo, except for one of his/her siblings been chewing on it

Are you zsure your hen is a DF spangle. Because from those babies she would be a SF spangle. What does she look like? A DF spangle is all yellow or all white.

Are you zsure your hen is a DF spangle. Because from those babies she would be a SF spangle. What does she look like? A DF spangle is all yellow or all white.

 

This is the hen, Ive posted her before and was told she was a df spangle I dont know anything as I said I'm confused

 

That is probably because she has a very light body colour and looks to be all yellow.

But she is definately a SF spangle

I would say a dilute green as well. Very nice colour.

 

Or if she isn't green Hard to tell from the picture. She could be a spangle clearbody But I would still say she is a dilute green.

Edited February 1, 200718 yr by Sailorwolf

Well that sorts that then. Thanks there sailorwolf now im not trying to work out the impossible. Yeah she has the very palest green tinge on her chest and rump but its not patches it sort of just fades out to pure yellow

Yes I was wondering about a dilute spangle myself but wanted to check first that the normal winged baby didn't have a clear tail which would mean a Melanistic Spangle (which is a new form of spangle starting to show up) the wings look normal but the tail is that of a spangle.

 

If she is a dilute then she would have past this gene on to all her kids, they will not show as one but will carry the gene.

Thankyou guys! But is that some of the babies are spangles or are they all just carrying the spangle gene. Cause some of them look like the hen to me. If someone can just tell me what they are I will actually sleep tonight

Spangle is a dominant gene. So it will always show up when it is present. All of your babies apart from the normal green (4th picture) are spangled.

Thankyou I so happy now. Thankyou both for your time I really appreciated it and I'm learning things yay :(Laughing out loud):

You're welcome.