renee

Yeah, you're right - it is a family thing. My Dad has kidney stones too. Something to look forward to .... Not!

Gout is a nasty one, many in my family before me have had it. I have heard a teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in the morning helps. Hope it all clears up and you are pain free soon! :celebrate:

Well I'm going to get this ball rolling by saying that - Pet Budgie Owners - want healthy happy budgie companions Pet Bird Breeders - want healthy happy budgies that breed Back Yard Show Budgie Breeders - want healthy happy Show budgies that are Variety bred Show Budgie Breeders - want healthy happy Show budgies that are Variety bred to the current Style What do you think? :celebrate: .... and here is an example of what I want: Daniel Lutolf's Spangle Grey Best of show Best youngbird 111-125-08

Who Says so ??? :celebrate: i think she ment as in the really big studs that just want a winning bird probably my influence their kaz i just tend to see most breeders who have lost the love of the actual bird and go on looks and breed ability they bounce the birds that dont produce or that they dont use regardless of their potential to others as they dont want lines breed from their stocksad but true :celebrate: they dont enjoy suprizeses There is room in this hobby for everyone! From the pet bird breeder to to the back yard breeder to the show breeder! Just because someone doesn't share your philosophy doesn't mean that somehow they are wrong, it just means they have different motivations, AND THAT IS okay! I happen to know a couple of back yard breeders who have years of experience and a wealth of knowledge which is very valuable! By the same token their birds have a style that I personally know is outdated insofar that it is a "yesterdays" bird so I wouldn't buy them. But I still appreciate any tid bits they care to share. :bliss: Now if you are a show breeder you have to accept that the goal posts keep on moving as to what is desirable. I like that! It means I will always be facing new challenges and I find that gratifying. But to somehow suggest that all show breeders don't enjoy breeding and don't have any fun is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

Wow, they are amazing! You'll be representing this state in no time with those luvlies! :celebrate:

I think Goldenface does not have Mutations but YF does... and I think Goldenface is also called Australian Yellowface... Thats what I think I've learnt from this thread... Well Jimmy I'm with you on this one. :celebrate: But why can't we just refer to the variations as Golden Face SF and DF & Yellow Face SF and DF????? I know it's just a case of terminology but this way I for one would not get so confused and mixed up! :celebrate:

To be honest I do not really pay too much attention to seed mixes, I try to provide the best seed I can and I leave it at that. I was using Colden Cob's Supreme Breeders mix and just recently I have started giving my aviary birds a 2:1 mix of Triangle's Budgie mix and Finch mix. The main thing is they eat it all up. I have heard that at different times budgies prefer different seeds and will sift through the mix till they find the seeds they're looking for. You know I wouldn't fuss too much but I would increase his flying time so he burns off a bit of weight. :celebrate:

Well I evidently am very slow when it comes to this topic as I thought we were going to forget the whole MUTANT thingio .... but evidently not. I will have to wait till Sunday.

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As long as Renee doesnt cook Oh I don't know, some people prefer scorched snags and torched steaks combined with limp lettuce and squishy tomatoes - at least you know you'll be getting good grog! okay, back on topic.I will forget the term Aussie YF Mutant II and from now on in my mind refer to them as SF Golden Faces. I am sure it has been said elsewhere, but what is the Visual difference between a SF and DF Yellow Face (is it the suffusion?) and WHAT happens if you breed YF to GF, visually and genetically?

And without a photo it's very difficult to describe. I will post you tomorrow a photo of one of my chickies that has "the look".

Well yes, you are right, not only 5 years ago that is what was most desirable However, we are currently encouraged to breed round headed buffalo blow types! How to breed that bird is a bit beyond me .... I'm thinking that pronounced backscull may play a part ... I don't know, hence my question, HOW ar we going to cut that out?! This year I have seen a couple of the "new" bird on the bench but as yet they are few and far between.

Oh My God - YES! It has to be Aqueous Iodine!!! Please don't just pop Betadine in!!!! I am so sorry I didn't clarify that Elkereimi.

Yeah I hear you ....

Well you can already see that your Cobalt is a DEFINITE keeper!

I'm easy, let's let RIP and Nubbly decide on the venue?!

I am free Sunday okay Sunday it is! PMing you all details now!

The problem has come about by one of our most prominent breeders calling a single factor australian yf (or goldenface in other words) an Aussie YF mutant 2 - bloody confusing. Really they are just referring to the single factor bird that has the very strong suffusion. It's because of that strong suffusion that WA judges in their immense wisdom decided to put the single factor aussie yf in the NSV/NSC class as it was considered that these birds were too far from the YF standard. :fear Keep it up Gina! I LOVE it!We will all be "singing from the same hymn book soon" so I propose we get together and make a motion to right this confusing misnomer!Ooooops, we "nothingness" cannot do anything - it's UP TO YOU! Sunday sounds good to me - KAZZZZZ???? You are welcome to come to mine for barbie and tutorial if you like?!

No bird can be split spangle Renee ........are you meanin a a lute that may be masking spangle ? Yes of course Kaz, I often make that error when describing it :fear

Well this is a space for a little rant of my own - yes, I do not expect many of you to agree with me, I'll say that now! But here goes- I am sick to the back teeth with those outcome estimations, they are bloody ridiculously theoretical and UNLESS you know EXACTLY what your birds are split for you may as well be ******* in the wind!!!!! Earlier in the year I asked, "How many varieties can a bird be split for?" And the short answer provided was "How long is a piece of string!" :fear I do not have either a talent for maths or genetics, so basically I get the hang of things when I actually breed it because I can actually "see" how it works. But here is the rub, many a time this year I have tried to breed something and the results are far from what I had hoped. :yes: Case One: Lutino Line, I know my best Cock is split Spangle but when I put him to another Lute hen I do NOT want to get 2 Spangles and just one measly Lute (the amount not bird itself!!!) Now I appreciate that this is just the luck of the draw as Spangle is a Co-dominant variety BUT .... !!!! Case Two: I put 2 Grey Spangles together and don't get ANY DF Spangles. Yeah, yeah, I hear you say that they are only a guide BUT I don't care for them too much. (Yes, I guess this is a case of the operator, not the tool scenario! :hap: )

Mostly thats the bad photos.......he looks different in real life Good-Oh! Well he is definitely a keeper then!!!!

Well that would be me! I don't know about you but when I go out to look at my birds in the aviary the last thing I want to see is a bird sitting on its own with its little head tucked back under its wing - what I DO want to see is plenty of activity going on. Each to their own! Sorry Renee.....you are under a misconception....heads tucked under a wing is normal. A sick budgie sits fluffed up and generally its head isnt tucked under its wing. Well fair enough! But I still don't like it. Many times I have seen a bird isolated like that, "sleeping" all the time, and I always run my hands against the aviary wire to wake it up! It can sleep like that at night if it likes but I would rather it was chatting away to its friends.

Well that would be me! I don't know about you but when I go out to look at my birds in the aviary the last thing I want to see is a bird sitting on its own with its little head tucked back under its wing - what I DO want to see is plenty of activity going on. Each to their own!

You are right Renee. You wish is my command :fear

This one was always a lovely sea green from the moment it feathered up. I recall thinking "damn, what I am I going to put you to?" when I saw it. I suspect that it would totally suffuse any chicks if I tried to breed DFs, so I am stumped for now .... may still end up a 'bird to be sold' though I do like it too much to contemplate that for now. :fear As for the whole mauve/olive thingio, have yet to get my head around that as this year I was concentrating on breeding Dark Factors and I think you need DF dark factors for those ... so again I stress, haven't got there yet with those yet. Best you come and have a look! Your inbox is full RIP, time to delete some!