**KAZ**

I can see three definite cinnamonwings in that photo Ratzy, and maybe more .......look again.

The product you saw is an application kind designed for pet budgies you can handle and catch every day to treat. It works for early scaly face but not advanced. Scaly face that has progressed to the eyes and feet and begun mis shaping the beak will not get better by using aristopet. It is no different to using oil on the beak. If you have a pile of budgies and ones that arent pets you use the ivermectin spot on method, which in my experience is the best thing out. If you want to believe in petshop products and rely on petshop staff thats up to you. I pay $9 for my spot on from the vet. How much was your aristopet product ?

It was a good show :emoticon112:

Yep..........both females.

Your nestbox is inside the cage ? Not ouside with access from inside ?

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http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....68&hl=shark

I used to colony breed. One thing that can and does happen in colony breeding is a bird or two will take over the top or entrance of a nestbox and literally stop the actual parent from returning to their nest to feed their babies. A whole nest of babies can die this way due to starvation. My suggestion is ..........you need to watch for some time and see if this is happening in this case. Secondly if she has lost condition during the raising of babies that may account for her not wanting to complete the raising of her babies. For now....................Yes you will have to move babies, or you will have to supplement feed them in the nest.

Try to transfer chicks of similar ages. The mother that has stopped feeding well............has her cere changed colour at all ? Is she out of condition ..........cere colour-wise ? Is her partner and herself well ? If sick they will save themselves by stopping feeding chicks. Do they have soft food available to them ?

Check our aviary forum here and mine is on there.

It also speaks of adding iodine to the water. We use aqueous iodine also known as LUGOLL'S IODINE available from chemists....5-7 drops per litre.

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We already have a lot of info on here on iodine....using the search facility will bring you up a lot of topics. I think there is also pinned topics. :hap:

You're sure Tommy is a boy GB ? Cos in most of the photos the cere looks whitish. How does it look from where you are ?

Also a lot of budgie clubs sell it at meetings from their products table. And other club members sell it to each others etc.

Yes

My vet is an avian vet and he will sell it over the counter.

That hen of Ratzy's is not a good example. Here Boys in right condition If the female cere is light to medium brown her cere will be right to carry her through the whole process. If its dark brown and flaky its gone past that point and at the stage where it will flake off and show the white blue thats underneath. White blue is not in breeding conditon. If you have timed it wrong and its dark and flaky, often the hen loses interest or condition at some point through the breeding process and you will have problems.

DEFINITELY happened after death by your description. Doesnt take budgies long to eat one of thier own after death. Maybe its there way of stopping other predators coming amongst the flock after the body .............but budgies do eat meat...that is CERTAIN ?

Green excrements with yellow urine portions refer to a substantial disturbances of the internal organs. If the liver is damaged, the organism excretes biles what leads to the discolouration of excrement and urine. In case you notice such droppings you should go and see your vet. Liver problems for example can be caused by bacteria or viruses, most illnesses are curable. http://www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/gesa...katorkot_en.htm

I havent looked for the right hen for him yet. But he can get over his moult and we get past wintery weather and then I will try.

I am so excited for you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is brilliant news !!!!

Too old. Dont allow her to breed Joel. Keep her away from anywhere that nestboxes are.

Wood shavings

Yes Shannon but that was a couple of months ago...he looks a whole lot nicer now. how old is he now ?? 11 months old