**KAZ**

Once I finish the corner cabinets I will have 40 breeder cabinets. Thats enough I think

Can you post some pictures of the possible parents Steve

Some jobs cannot be everyday depending on your lifestyle or work commitments. Aviary concrete floor gets scraped and vacuumed twice weekly. Water and seed and food attended to daily. Breeding cabinets.........food attended to daily or twice daily. Full cleaning of breeding cabinets is a once a week saturday task but more often if needed to. I put a thick wad of newspaper in the bottom of the cages and I pull out the top layers as they get dirty and do a full replacement clean and sort and vacuum on Saturdays. I work from home so checking and sorting of birds also happens between my work breaks during the course of the day. I keep an industrial vacuum cleaner in the birdroom just for the aviaries and birdroom and birdroom sometimes is done twice a day, sometimes every couple of days depending on how busy I am with work. Sometimes I have to keep lights on in there at night and do cleaning after teatime. Birds dont mind...they sing along with vacuum cleaner noise. Birdroom floor is tiled ( **BEFORE fitting out ) so sweeping and vacuuming is real easy. Mopping may be a once a month thing. Most of my cabinet setups are vertical melamine units I made with cages sitting in the shelved sections. To clean I slide out the cage and vacuum and clean the melamine sections and replace the cages. I pull out the trays in the cages and empty seed debris and clean trays and replace newspaper liners. As already stated I have thick newspaper in the bottom of the cages also.

You do not need the grit paper.......remove it. Wouldnt worry about voting.,another OLD OLD topic dragged up. Its FIVE YEARS OLD

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Iris ring has nothing to do with sexing a budgie.

TEMPTATION :rofl: But I have all the greywings I need right now..............

I am just a beginner, so probably can't say much about the quality and prices. But in my opinion the really good birds sold for lots and lots of money and even the birds of lesser quality were not cheap. Not too many for under $100. I bought one little dom pied opaline cobalt hen. I am very happy with her and it was the bird I wanted....I viewed all the budgies and she was the one I liked and I probably paid too much, but I had fun ;-). I didn't check out many cock birds as I was after hens. I am glad you got the one you wanted :rofl:

I was after a couple of birds myself but had a friend and judge check them out for me. He said not to bid for them so I didnt. :rofl: and I didnt get any scones with jam and cream either Its always been this way in the time I have collected birds Jeff. They dont mind there being seed in the box as long as its either left behind at Aus Air Express at time of collection or its returned in a bag with a form attached soon after. The trust me to return the seed to them in the bag but they also recognise my face down there too and trust me

and the birds ?????????????????????????????????????? :raincloud::rofl::question::rofl::ohmygod::rofl:

If both parents are spangles there is 25% normal, 50% spangle, 25% DF spangle chances for babies. Babies: Chick 1: Cinnamon sky blue male - If it is indeed a male, then the mother must be a cinnamon spangle green split blue and the cock must be a spangle blue split cinnamon (If the cock is not split cinnamon then this chick is a female, also if the hen is not cinnamon then again this chick is female and the cock must be split cinnamon). Chick 2: Spangle (light?) green male Chick 3: Normal olive male (If it is olive then both parents can only be a spangle cobalt cock split cinnamon and a cinnamon spangle dark green hen). TRUE Dean :question: But now we know there is colony breeding involved it throws all of this out of the window :raincloud: Any others could be involved. BEDO..........you are going to have to post pictures of what you think the parents of thesE babies are and any other GUILTY CULPRITS There are no guarantees as to fidelity in a colony breeding aviary.

This is not true. A lot of people over east believe this but it is not true. In believing this MYTH :question: too many birds are sent from over east with no seed in the box to sustain them. Birds can travel with seed in the box ( which they need for the trip ) . When they get here in W.A. we have a couple of options. 1. empty any seed out at the collection point ( Australian Air Express or whatever ) or 2. Do it at home and return it in a bag supplied by staff. I have done this many times. SO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HOW DID THE AUCTION GO ??? We have some problems bringing parrots in from over east in that quarantine has to be able to formally identify certain parrots coming in. They have stated that they can only say for certain that they can identify weeros, budgies, or cockatiels and the common parrots.........galahs and corellas. Anything else involves a photo being taken through the cage wire and the photo being submitted for formal identification through qiarantine. You can take the bird home but must phone through in a few days to be sure your bird passed its ID process. Sometimes they even worry that show budgies being bigger than average budgies may not be budgies at all and may also be another kind of parrot :raincloud: Stupid procedure but thats the way it is

If this is true then both parents are spangles.....and in that case how do you explain the last baby ? Have you photos of both parents and did you colony breed the budgies ?

All look like boys to me First one is cinnamon spangle male second one spangle male ( cant see back of bird or wing markings ) Third one spangle male Fourth photo spangle male last two olive males knowing what parents are also helps :raincloud: If all from same parents the parents have passed on some interesting genes.

Its no different to any other time....you should be able to easily see a filled lump that is the crop. The mothers do not spend as much time in the nestbox once feathers show up and aged from 2 weeks so that part is normal. Dont baulk..................go pick up the chicks and be sure they are being fed. You hesitate in checking them and you could lose them. Read this article http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...&artlang=en so you KNOW what you should be doing re checking babies in the nest.

Generally once the megabacteria rods multiply and take over a bird, there is a very small window of time in which a bird with mega can be saved. In most cases its too late once they are showing signs. I am sorry for your loss and hope there will be an answer that rests your mind

Dom pied greywing chick Greywing chick Dom pied ( I dont think this one is greywing ) and youngest

This is an OLD TOPIC craftsmaster and we are a budgie forum primarily here.

You can stop mice getting in by having tin up the sides of the aviary...floor upwards to a height of at least two feet ( 60cms ), Check all crevices at roof level as they will come in where the metal corrugations have bumps. Bear in mind any mouse can get through standard aviary mesh as they can get through any hole thats around 10mm diameter. The average wooden baitbox for mice uses a 10mm hole so that tells you mice can easily get through a gap that size. Anything a mouse can get its head through, the body will easily follow. Mice can climb up any mesh, wood or bricks to get to a place they can get in. They can walk upside down and drop into seed dishes suspended from a wire ceiling. They can get into any seed dishes hung up off the wire sides of an aviary. Solution......dont hang seed dishes off the wire sides of an aviary. Dont have seed dishes on the floor of an aviary. Best way to serve seed in an aviary that mice cant get to is on a pedestal set up ......a shiny metal leg setup that mice cannot climb. Bricks or wood they will climb. Rats run along fence lines and get on any aviaries that are up against fences. Rats and mice will dig into or tunnel into any soil floor aviary. First sign of mice in an aviary is often sick birds from contaminated food sources. First sign rats have got into an aviary is sttressed and sick birds and carcasses of dead birds with heads ripped off and their chests eaten out. Solution ? Concrete floors or paving slabs. Snakes snakes can and do get into aviaries and breeding rooms. They can be found inside the breeding cages of various breeding rooms .....often in the process of swallowing a family of budgies. Solution.......seal all gaps. Control mice and rats. Make sure all seed debris is cleaned up. Hawks.............. an external layer of bird netting spread wide around an aviary affected by hawk attacks. Hawks will slam into the aviary wire and can kill a couple of birds in one hit as their talons pierce the birds on the wire. They can then pull the bodies or parts of them through the wire. Cats cats rarely go onto a yard or at aviaries when there are dogs in the yard. Solution..........keep a dog in the yard. My thoughts.

That bird needs a bigger flight cage. less perches and for the owners to reassess the content of its seed. If a standard mix with hulled oats the oats need to be removed from the seed mix. That bird needs to FLY and exercise or it will get sick. and a possibility it has a ruptured air sac maybe ?

Thankyou

you havent said what sex the chicks are

as Macka says 2 years !!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely both plum eyes chicks so both cinnamon.

AOSV perhaps