I don't know either birds' parentage as both were bought a couple years ago.

The cock bird has bred both Albino's & Lutino's only.

The hen has not been bred before.

I only just put them together Saturday and the hen has only just started investigating the box.

 

 

 

 

 

I love em!

 

I think you could get:

 

-lutinos

-albinos

-yellow faced whites

 

-GOOD LUCK!...post pics of progress to!..(Laughing out loud)

okay, I am learning but I want to take a shot at this and ask questions. So I hope you don't mind Karen, me slaughtering your simple post

 

Is the white one an albino? I can't see the red eyes on my moniter

Yellow one being lutino correct?

 

What I am understanding is both of these are recessive genes & the same variety and they work very similar to the cinnamon gene which is linked on the X gene.

 

You would get 100% albino/lutino but what I can't determine is the % of albino/lutino you would get?

 

As with the yellowface gene, I remember how it works does it work the same with this variety? Can the albino be a double factor, in which is holds the yellowface gene but it is not visual? And is the Lutino an automatically a yellowface because it is yellow or does the yellow need to be darker on the face because the base of the body is yellow?

 

I appreciate anyone who will help out with these questions too.

 

 

 

 

 

Here is

You would get 100% albino/lutino but what I can't determine is the % of albino/lutino you would get?

 

If the yellow one is a lutino (and not a creamino).. and the white one is an albino (I'm not sure) all babies would be -ino. They would all be lutino unless the yellow one is split to blue. Remember lutino is green and albino is blue.. and blue is recessive.

That's correct Hurdy

 

Is the white one an albino? I can't see the red eyes on my moniter

Yellow one being lutino correct?

Karen knows her ino's so trust her when she said she is an albino.

 

 

What I am understanding is both of these are recessive genes & the same variety and they work very similar to the cinnamon gene which is linked on the X gene.

It's not recessive just sex-lined like cinnamon.

 

 

If the hen IS a creamino, which does look possible with that first shot, then we have two blue birds (yellowface is linked with the blue gene) In that case you will get albinos and creaminos.

okay, so let me get this right

 

The albino gene washes out the blue color in the bird? Making it white

The lutino gene washes out the green color in the bird? Making it yellow

 

Not sure if I am using correct terms here.

 

So a lutino hen only can be split for green and an albino hen can be split for blue?

 

The male is never split if it shows the ino gene because he needs 2 of them correct? I think that is what I meant by recessive, but it is linked on the x gene and a male needs 2 of them to make him male in the bird world.

Lutino is just the ino gene which removes the blue from the bird. (there isn't really a 'green' gene)

 

Albino is a joining of the blue gene (which removed the yellow from the bird) and the ino gene, which i just said removed the blue. So your left with a white bird.

 

Ino is a different gene to the colour genes so an lutino can still make a normal green bird with paired with a normal.

Lutino is just the ino gene which removes the blue from the bird. (there isn't really a 'green' gene)

 

Albino is a joining of the blue gene (which removed the yellow from the bird) and the ino gene, which i just said removed the blue. So your left with a white bird.

 

Ino is a different gene to the colour genes so an lutino can still make a normal green bird with paired with a normal.

 

okay, I am sorry if I am asking really silly questions...so let me try and get this straight I hate to give up because I am so confused

 

A lutino bird is yellow because the ino gene removes the blue from the bird, if it didn't remove the blue then the bird would be green, hence blue and yellow make green yes?

 

An albino bird is when the ino gene and the blue gene come together then both the yellow and blue are removed which makes the white bird?

 

The ino gene is basically a gene that removes coloring from the bird that is all.

Yes yes yes and yes

okay, thank you Nerwen again, now I have to remember that in the morning , going to ** write it down with all my other mutation papers**

Edited February 22, 200619 yr by lovey

The male is never split if it shows the ino gene because he needs 2 of them correct? I think that is what I meant by recessive, but it is linked on the x gene and a male needs 2 of them to make him male in the bird world.

So what you are saying lovey, is that males have two x chromosomes?????? That doesn't make sense at all. In all animals females are double X and males are X and Y. That's the first rule of biology genetics.

that is what I thought when I started here with genetics, and this is why I was so confused, I took basic human genetic but in birds it is reversed.

Male budgies have two x-chromosomes (XX) and female budgies have an x-chromosome and a y-chromosome (XY).

 

And even reading more depth the female determines the sex of the babies, not the males because of this.

 

When you go through this website which I have been using for mutations and learning (I am sure there are other ones out there) and you click on the where the charts are for the sex linked mutations it states in there the above . http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html

 

I know Nerwen can confirm that too.

Edited February 22, 200619 yr by lovey

The male is never split if it shows the ino gene because he needs 2 of them correct? I think that is what I meant by recessive, but it is linked on the x gene and a male needs 2 of them to make him male in the bird world.

So what you are saying lovey, is that males have two x chromosomes?????? That doesn't make sense at all. In all animals females are double X and males are X and Y. That's the first rule of biology genetics.

 

 

that is what I thought when I started here with genetics, and this is why I was so confused, I took basic human genetic but in birds it is reversed.

Male budgies have two x-chromosomes (XX) and female budgies have an x-chromosome and a y-chromosome (XY).

 

And even reading more depth the female determines the sex of the babies, not the males because of this.

 

When you go through this website which I have been using for mutations and learning (I am sure there are other ones out there) and you click on the where the charts are for the sex linked mutations it states in there the above . http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html

 

I know Nerwen can confirm that too.

 

So can I. Lovey is correct. In budgies the female is xy, the male is xx. This is the reason hens are not split for any sex-linked characteristic. If they have it, it will be visual.

Good answers everyone!

 

I do believe your working out is flawless.

 

The hen is creamino.

I do dislike that name.

I have always called them lemon lutino, she is lemon coloured - yes I know technically she's creamino but she's not cream!

why not Lemino then

 

As to the chromosomes I was amazed when I found out. These poor hens having to do all the work laying eggs and brooding, then can't even blame the male if they get all boys

Genetics stuf give me a headache! I am willing to let you guys do all the hard work for me

 

 

Lemino should be made a technical term! We can credit you Jen with it!

why not Lemino then

 

As to the chromosomes I was amazed when I found out. These poor hens having to do all the work laying eggs and brooding, then can't even blame the male if they get all boys

 

 

Too funny Nerwen..and so true

Thank you Rainbow, reading up more :book:

Lemino should be made a technical term! We can credit you Jen with it!

 

It does seem to flow better as a word, wonder why no one thought of it before Most likely becuase there was a horse colour creamino already.

Edited February 22, 200619 yr by Nerwen