Blue Mutant 2 + Blue Mutant 1 = Creamface

 

Greywing + Clearwing = Full body colour greywing

 

Parblue 2 (golden faced) + Dark Factor = Mauve

 

Parblue 2 (golden faced) + (SF)Dark Factor = Colbalt

excuse me daz but what do you mean by 'mutant' and the numbers? I've never heard those terms in relation to budgies before and neither has my dad who was breeding budgies over 40 years ago :hap:

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Clear as mud daz,clear as mud!

lol All budgies that are not of the normal original budgerigar is a mutation. Some mutations have "Nick Names" such as Normal Sky blue. Which is a Blue mutation 1. a Yellow Faced Sky Blue is a Blue Mutation 2. So by crossing a Normal Sky Blue with Yellow Faces Sky Blue you should get what is called a Cream Face.

 

A Dark Factor is commonly called a dark green or olive.

 

A Parblue is a combination of blue and green (ei Parially Blue) a Type 1 is a yellow face and a type II is a golden Face.

 

Here is a Parblue II Spangle

 

Nerwen and I are studying a book that has these terms. It is very interesting.

 

Think of it this way. Australians call it Corn Flour, the American say Corn Statch. We say Prawn they say Shrimp.

 

You say (Goldenfaced Spangle) the book says (Spangle, Parblue 2 (Goldenface))

 

I hope that at leasts helps.

daz what book is this ? ive been showing birds for 10 years and creamface is a new one on me

daz what book is this ? ive been showing birds for 10 years and creamface is a new one on me

 

http://www.birdkeeper.com.au/v2/aguideto20.html

 

"A Guide to Colour Mutations & Genetics in Parrots" By Dr. Terry Martin

 

Here is a bit on Genertics

Cream face is like a yellow face one but instead of a bright yellow fack mask they have a mellow yellow colour.

Cream face is like a yellow face one but instead of a bright yellow fack mask they have a mellow yellow colour.

 

Thanks Nerwen, I am at work and the book is at home.

It's all good. I just remember that one since I think they are so cute :hap:

Mutation - Common Name

 

Blue Mutant I - Blue

Blue Mutant II - Yellow Face type I

 

Parblue Mutant I - Yellow Face Type II

Parblue Mutant II - Goldenface

 

Sex linked Lutino - Lutino

 

Sex Linked Par-ino - Texas Clearbody

 

NSL Lutino - Recessive Lutino

 

Cinnamon - Cinnamonwing

 

Dilute Mutant I - Greywing

Dilute Mutant II - Clearwing

Dilute Mutant III - Dilute

 

Faded - Faded

Bronze Fallow - German Fallow

 

Dun Fallow - English Fallow

Ashen Fallow - Scotish Fallow (extinct)

 

Dark Factor - Dark Green and Olive

 

Grey - Greygreen

 

Recessive Grey - Recessive Greygreen

 

Violet - Violet Green

 

Slate - Slate

 

Opaline - Opaline

 

Dominant Pied - Australian Pied

Dominant Pied - Dutch Pied

Reccessive Pied - Danish Pied

 

Mottle - Mottle

 

Spangle - Spangle

 

Melanistic - Blackface

 

Clearbody - Easley Clearbody

 

Darkwing Modifer - Darkwing "Cinnamonwing Yellow"

Edited November 21, 200519 yr by daz

Now if you could just post appropriate pictures for all of them Daz, I can cheat on Nerwen's tests

Now if you could just post appropriate pictures for all of them Daz, I can cheat on Nerwen's tests

 

Lin for you anything.......what look at the time I have my monthly Budgerigar Club Meeting on in 30 minutes....got to go.

 

 

Oh okay here is two Dominant Pieds

 

 

 

 

Let me know what Mutation you want and I'll find a photo.

Now if you could just post appropriate pictures for all of them Daz, I can cheat on Nerwen's tests

 

I agree Lin, we need pictures, that really helps me out too

is this an australian book because i think this is were the problem s could start

Dilute Mutant I II III never heard them called these before or this Sex Linked Par-ino

Dark Factor - Dark Green and Olive are they calling dark greens and olives dark factors as in a colour standard what about the dark factor blue birds

Yes this is an ausie book, the author in fact lives in brissie

 

But i believe he had other breeders from around the world to help with information. And remember this book is not just on budgies, these terms suit the mutations for all types of parrots, and lets you know what you are dealing with reather than the pretty names given to it, which get used around freely and for different muations in different breeds of birds.

 

oh and Daz on page 199 with the other picture of the pieds, does it seem to you they have titled them incorrectly?

Edited November 22, 200519 yr by Nerwen

All this weird names for colours is REALLY confusing!! Can't everyone just use the common names that everyone can understand....well, the ones that are more self explanatory? Pleeeeease?? All the mutant talk is giving me a headache.

Hi guys and galls I getting a headace too

here is one of my fav sites I just drool when I look at all these show birds and wish I could have them all

http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/general/ident1.html

Oh wow, the tufted skyblue looks like someone sat on it's head

The book is written about all parrot mutations. The terminalogy used in it is not at all similar to the terms used by show budgie breeders. Think of the terms in the book relating to Indian Ringneck Parrots instead of budgies.

 

The budgie show scene in Australia does not use these terms. I think we use the same as other countries.

 

So the par blue 2 spangle bird photo above by Daz would be called a single factor Australian yellowface (or specifically golden face) cobalt blue spangle as opposed to the English yellow face (or cream face).

 

The main confusion seems to be that a single factor Australian yellow face bird has the yellow from the mask bleed through the breast colour when the bird has moulted to adult feathers, and the double factor bird has the yellow restricted to the mask and possibly wings only.

 

The English yellow face is completely different in that the single factor bird has a pale yellow face and the double factor bird has a white face but will only produce yellow faced chicks when mated to any other blue bird.

 

The really confusing part is that some people have interbred the two varieties and the English variety seems to be more dominant than the Australian. Sort of like the way that the Texas clearbody is dominant to the ino birds but both are still sex-linked.

 

Does this make sence Hath?

 

Regards,

Gypsy

it certainly does i was under the impression that this was a budgie mutation book not a general parrot book and i have to agree with bea and that people should really use the commen names not general parrot names ive bred and showed budgies for years and i was confused so people who are new stand no or little chance if we are all using different descriptions

Thanks Gypsy, I had been trying to figure out the more common names for some of those mutations too. It makes perfect sense that those terms are for other parrots.

 

So then a type 1 yellowface would be their doublefactor Australian bird and the type 2 yellowface would be the singlefactor? Logically it seems like it would be the other way 'round, doesn't it?

 

I think it would be easier to use the terms used specifically by budgie breeders as opposed to general ones for other types of parrots. But trying to reconcile terms has made me think, and sometimes that is a good thing.

So then a type 1 yellowface would be their doublefactor Australian bird and the type 2 yellowface would be the singlefactor? Logically it seems like it would be the other way 'round, doesn't it?

 

Yes it would make more sence to name them that way. But unfortunately they were named in the order they were discovered.

Hi guys...WOW what have I missed. The "Mutations" I have listed are specific to Budgerigars (Melopsittacus undulatus). but yes the book is about Colour Mutations and Genetics in Parrots.

 

 

Nerwen page 199 has the Recessive and Dominant Pieds?

The first is definately a grey recessive Pied, he other two look very good but I would say they are recessive too. What do you think?

 

Hath, as I said there is difference in "common name" between countries. This is an Australian book. Some terms are different. We have people selling Harliquins. :ausb: in Australia. What are they.....? I know we call them Pieds but why have two names.

 

It's like the German Sheppard. Why call it an Alsation?

i know birds have different commen names per country daz but surly if 95% of people know a bird by golden face instead of a Parblue Mutant II we should use the most commen i mean it doesnt really affect me as i know about the mutations ect but i was thinking for people who are just starting out ive had a look at all my books and the likes of Parblue Mutant II, Dilute Mutant I dont get a mention including all my budgerigar world mags which are available world wide and have many articles from people in australia