Hello,

 

I look for photos of :

 

- Spangle - Cobalt blue - Yellow Face type 2

 

end

 

- Spangle - Sky blue - Yellow Face type 2

 

Have it You ?

spangle:

 

Cobalt:

 

YF type 2:

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by Nerwen

YF type II Spangle

 

 

 

 

................................................................................

......................................

 

 

Nerwen

YF type II sounds strange to me. Parblue 1 or 2 is a yellow/golden face.

Why say it twice.

 

Wouldn't Spangle here just be a Type II Spangle?

nope

yf type two is the same as Parblue 2 (or goldenface)

yf type one is the same as parblue 1

 

you could say for yours goldenface spangle.

okay, goldenface is the same as yellowface type 2? Then why do I keep seeing people talking about goldenface as if it's different than yellowface type 2? I was starting to be under the impression that goldenface somehow looked different. Does it only apply to green birds?

 

*head explodes*

Thank you for these photos but I looked for photos of birds which accumulate 3 mutations

 

Spangle Cobalt Blue YF type 2

 

or

 

 

Spangle Sky Blue YF type 2

 

because I think that it is like that that will be my youngs

(Laughing out loud) oh sorry for the mix up the first one I posted might be the closest I can find you, she is a yellowface spangle grey green.

 

eterri- goldenfaces as far as I can work out, is a bird where the yellow bleed as made them look like a normal green. So it's more as a step up from yellow face two.

Yes a type I or Type II (parblue) is an intermediate colour between blue and green. Remember that Green is made up of Blue and Yellow. A bird that is some where between blue and green can be called Partially Blue - parblue. The two types are type I Yellow Face and Type II Golden Face.

 

As you can see from My Spangle she is green but you can also see the blue tinge in her feathers.

This makes her a Parblue. And as Nerwen said "the yellow bleed as made them look like a normal green" Which give her the type II factor. Golden Faced.

 

So she is a Parblue II (type II) or a Golden Faced Spangle.

 

Ahh okay. So does the green have to be quite dark for it to be goldenface? I guess what I mean is, when would you say type 2 yellowface and when would you say goldenface? Because I know type 2 yellowface can make blue birds appear a green color too.

Thanks

It all sounds so complicated.

Ahh okay. So does the green have to be quite dark for it to be goldenface? I guess what I mean is, when would you say type 2 yellowface and when would you say goldenface? Because I know type 2 yellowface can make blue birds appear a green color too.

 

I called one like daz's bird a goldenface and one like marine a type 2 where the bleed is patchy.

 

I found a YF spangle sky blue (but also opaline)

from here: http://www.parrotparrot.com/budgies/

On the right.

 

and a darker coloured one from here: http://anduin.eldar.org/~carol/budgies.html

 

 

again on the right.

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by Nerwen

Nerwen isn't a Golden face a type II and a Yellow Face a type I?

you lost me? you mean like a dark eyed clear is the making of two pied genes that a golden face is the joining of the two yf gene? No I think it more of different names used over the world for the same thing.

 

http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/symbols.html

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c...er/yface02.html

 

it lengthy but they do help.

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by Nerwen

I believe goldenface is neither a type 1 or type 2 but a different variation of the yellow altogether.

 

**edit**

 

This is taken from the Yorke genetics site:

GREEN, BLUE , YELLOWFACE & DARK FACTORS

Normal Light Green is the natural state of the original wild budgerigar and any change in colour etc is due to a mutation. The Blue factor is a recessive mutation compared to the wild non-blue factor. The Dark factor is semi-dominant compared to the wild type non-dark factor. The Dark factor controls the shade of colour. Much controversy and confusion surround the Yellowface factor/s. Even now the true story may not be completely known. It is possible that two, three or even four different yellowface mutations exist, all of them with similar breeding rules and subtly different visual appearances. BUDGEN uses the theory that three different YellowFace mutations exist.

 

1) Australian Yellowface ( also believed to be called Goldenface)

 

2) Mutant 1 Yellowface (also called Type 1 or Creamface or Lemonface or English)

 

3) Mutant 2 Yellowface (also called Type 2 or English Type 2)

 

In Australia, a common misconception is to use the terms Type 1&2 to describe the single and double factor Australian Yellowface. This is wrong.

 

The use of the term "Mutant" should be encouraged to describe the Yellowface varieties and not the term "Type" as "Type" has another meaning when discussing genetics as will be explained below.

 

All three Yellowface varieties are believed to be mutations of the same factor as that which causes green or blue colouring. Such cases of more than one mutation occurring at the same gene location are known as multiple allelomorphs (alleles). The Dark and Blue (therefore also Yellowface) factors are known to share the same chromosome. All factors which share common chromosomes should be looked at as linked groups of factors rather than as individual factors.

 

Unfortunately Mother Nature isn't perfect and sometimes a pair of chromosomes can break in half and while they usually repair themselves it is common for them to swap places before rejoining. This process is known as genetic crossover. This crossover is known to occur between the Blue (and Yellowface) and Dark factors on average in 1 in every 7 cells. BUDGEN incorporates this 1 in 7 crossover value in its calculations. In most cases this crossover has no effect on results of any matings, however there are exceptions. This crossover causes two different genetics types of Dark Green/Blue known as Type I and Type II.

 

and this is a link to a site regarding yellowface and goldenface rainbows.

 

Both are very good explanations, I think.

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by Rainbow

me too Rainbow, Like the dilute gene has three levels (grey wing, clearwing then dilute)

 

I kinda feel the yf gene is the same way

found this site:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2761/photos/gf.html

I would call the grey and violet as yf type 2

me too Rainbow, Like the dilute gene has three levels (grey wing, clearwing then dilute)

 

I kinda feel the yf gene is the same way

found this site:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2761/photos/gf.html

I would call the grey and violet as yf type 2

 

 

Nice pictures! Good find there, nerwen. The picture of the violet yellowface didn't show up for me, but if you click on the box where it is supposed to be the picture opens in a new window. What a gorgeous color!!! I agree about the grey - he looks like he has a bit of yellow bleedthrough in those grey feathers, doesn't he?

me too Rainbow, Like the dilute gene has three levels (grey wing, clearwing then dilute)

 

 

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2761/photos/gf.html

I would call the grey and violet as yf type 2

 

 

But doesn't the blue also have four levels. Blue I (Sky Blue) Blue II (YF Sky Blue) Parblue I (YF) Parblue II(Golden Face)

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by daz

Oh my, Daz...have you seen this link? Something else to make your head spin.

I think I finally understand what a goldenface is! (Laughing out loud)

 

Here is a skyblue opaline dilute? and a goldenface cabolt?

 

http://www.budgies.20m.com/images/wwgf.jpg

 

 

And this would be a yellowface blue

http://www.merribuck.com/JoeBlue2.jpg

Edited October 19, 200519 yr by Mfids

actully the blue in the first picture looks like the type one yellowface, there isn't a hint of green in the body.

 

Rainbow- I meant to add that but I was getting REALLY late to get to an appiontment (Laughing out loud) , bad time to just 'check' the forums.

 

I like your edit it helped me.

I guess it depends on how one would describe a goldenface... so the question is, is there any difference between the first blue budgie and the second???

not that I could see.

 

that top picture isn't working now.

Edited October 19, 200519 yr by Nerwen

Hmmm, question about goldenfaces....I may be totally off-base here, but.....

 

Would you say the goldenface would have a deeper yellow on the face than elsewhere on the body? Or would it be the same intensity? For example, in this picture of Rainbow you can see the yellow on his head is a much deeper shade than the yellow everywhere else. Was he a goldenface type 2 or a regular yellowface type 2?

 

I don't think that markd a goldenface or a yellowface, but my book does say something about them having a stronger brighter yellow than others, Ringo has a stronger face mask then the rest of the yellow on her body too.