Hi all,

This is a Dominant Pied Cinnamonwing Grey Green bred by Wally Capper,

who has just joined my flock courtesy of the NEBS Auction in Adelaide the other night.

I look forward to using him in the future!

Cheers

Patrick

Very nice Patrick

Hi all,

Just to bring you up to date with my flock I have 3/4 of my first round chicks

from March/April in weaning cages.I would hope to have them all out of the breeding

cages by early next week.

 

I had hoped to only have one round but many of the parents beat me to it!

I may end up fostering chicks to prevent those pairs that raised big clutches last

round have a much needed rest.

 

All in all it has been a good season thus far and hopefully a number of chicks will develop into something special!

 

I bought in some new hens last night courtesy the BBSA Auction to help even out the sex ratio in the flock.

 

Though it's my intention only use the best ones for future breeding.

 

Can I ask what you think about Cinnamons?They seem to be a variety people tend to say negative things about

and show up in abundance at Auctions and sales.

 

Cheers

Patrick

Can I ask what you think about Cinnamons?They seem to be a variety people tend to say negative things about

and show up in abundance at Auctions and sales.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

 

Some people get real paranoid about cinnamons taking over the aviary

This will not happen if you know your basic genetics and work with it.

Also cinnamons are a vital part of most breeding and improving other birds and therefore to rid yourself of all cinnamons ( as some breeders do ) is taking some backward steps.

 

My personal opinion only.

 

PS some breeders do very well in showing their cinnamons even at Nationals level :rofl:

Edited May 18, 201014 yr by KAZ

Can I ask what you think about Cinnamons?They seem to be a variety people tend to say negative things about

and show up in abundance at Auctions and sales.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

 

Some people get real paranoid about cinnamons taking over the aviary

This will not happen if you know your basic genetics and work with it.

Also cinnamons are a vital part of most breeding and improving other birds and therefore to rid yourself of all cinnamons ( as some breeders do ) is taking some backward steps.

 

My personal opinion only.

 

PS some breeders do very well in showing their cinnamons even at Nationals level

 

 

kaz is right

i have a thing about cinnamons but thats only as i breed albinos

but its not really an issue if you keep good recorlds

besides one very smart man told me last nightthat if you dont have cinnamons you dont get good birds :rofl:

Thanks guys,

 

I really appreciate your views.

 

I really did feel as If I was doing the wrong thing in purchasing Cinnamons.

 

So how would you go about learning to manage the variety and use it to improve

 

your birds?

 

Is it just a case of reading lots, asking questions on the forum and other breeders and experience?

 

What if any then is the fatal flaw to watch out for with the variety in your breeding?

 

Cheers

Patrick

Cinnamon is easy...its split in cocks and visual in females. Just keep good records of the cocks that may be split for it and use it to your best advantage. to improve your birds I am told you need both cinnamon and opaline birds ( not necessarily in the same bird ).

Cinnamon is easy...its split in cocks and visual in females. Just keep good records of the cocks that may be split for it and use it to your best advantage. to improve your birds I am told you need both cinnamon and opaline birds ( not necessarily in the same bird ).

 

Thanks Kaz

 

I do like the texture of their feathers!

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Cinnamon is easy...its split in cocks and visual in females. Just keep good records of the cocks that may be split for it and use it to your best advantage. to improve your birds I am told you need both cinnamon and opaline birds ( not necessarily in the same bird ).

 

Thanks Kaz

 

I do like the texture of their feathers!

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

just keep away from

albino and clearbodys

and dilutes and black eyed selfs aparently but then i heard diffrent with that last one

keep away from grey wing to

and fellows

Edited May 18, 201014 yr by GenericBlue

Forgot to mention I now have two of the Ken Yorke Darkwings hens with two chicks each.

 

I had an earlier problem with the first hen loosing a chick that was resolved by removing the cock.

 

She's now coping fine on her own.

 

Also my Lutino hen who had a similar problem has reared two chicks on her own and they should be leaving her by the end of the week.

 

The hen is having a kind of phantom pregnancy laying eggs and sitting on them.

 

I didn't want to introduce another cock until the chicks have gone.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Also cinnamons are a vital part of most breeding and improving other birds and therefore to rid yourself of all cinnamons ( as some breeders do ) is taking some backward steps.

 

(KAZ)

 

besides one very smart man told me last nightthat if you dont have cinnamons you dont get good birds :wine

 

Generic blue.

 

 

WHY do cinnamons improve the breeding within flocks, do they have some special enhancing gene????????

please please tell me, i am very curious now!

 

PS: how do only quote small portions of peoples comments?? i still havent got my head around that

and how do you quote small portions from numerous peoples comments? thanks

Edited May 18, 201014 yr by KAZ

Also cinnamons are a vital part of most breeding and improving other birds and therefore to rid yourself of all cinnamons ( as some breeders do ) is taking some backward steps.(KAZ)

besides one very smart man told me last nightthat if you dont have cinnamons you dont get good birds Generic blue.

WHY do cinnamons improve the breeding within flocks, do they have some special enhancing gene????????please please tell me, i am very curious now! :bliss: PS: how do only quote small portions of peoples comments?? i still havent got my head around thatand how do you quote small portions from numerous peoples comments? thanks

 

Hi AB

 

There's bound to be someone on the forum who can answer this for you,I can only say my own experience that their feather quality can be better than other varieties.As for the quotes, I'm know I.T. whiz myself, so I won't be able to help you there either.

 

Some Cinnamon info.....Cinnamons I have read are useful in breeding with Opalines to remove the marking faults that can occur in the variety.These markings are diluted by the Cinnamon factor and are therefore less noticable.The Cinnamon of today which can be big and broad feathered and as good as a normal.

The Cinnamon has emerged from the past of being a long slim bird. This info courtesy of Harry Bryan's book "The Budgerigar Man"

 

Good to know!

 

Cheers

Patrick

Edited May 19, 201014 yr by jetrick57

thanks for the interesting info patrick!

 

heres me thinking that cinnamon only affects the colour of the wings!

but it does other things now does it... haha

 

so it produces better fether quality, and removes bad markings in opalines

very interesting! thanks again

 

grant.

Hi all,

Pleased to say all but two of my first round chicks are in weaning cages as of this morning.

I finally had 63 make it right through, and now have 9 chicks in the nest from the second round with

a number of eggs to hatch in the coming weeks.

 

7 of those new chicks are bred from Ken Yorke's Darkwings pairs,though one Cock is a Kelwyn Kakoshke bred bird.

 

I didn't plan on having a second round but while everyone was happy I thought I'd let them go for it, and will rest them in the spring, by which time I am hoping to use my outcross birds and best bred birds from last year.

 

Cheers

Patrick

sounds good! butou know what we need....

 

MORE PICTURES

i would love to see what all your fethered chicks look like now!

 

wow.. 63, great job there patrick and now its round 2!

Not real good at this but here goes.

 

This picture is of the my birds as they were being paired up on March 1st.

 

A number of spare cock birds remain in the bird room to help with vocalising!

 

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx85/je...57/P1020412.jpg

 

 

Hi Just wondering - it is better for the birds to see each other with the wire cages? Some advice I've had suggests not to do this - but after reading your journal I wonder.

Also, where can I find 'Daz's nesting box design'?

I really enjoyed reading through your journal. Thanks for that.

Cheers,

Joanne

Not real good at this but here goes.

 

This picture is of the my birds as they were being paired up on March 1st.

 

A number of spare cock birds remain in the bird room to help with vocalising!

 

http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx85/je...57/P1020412.jpg

 

 

Hi Just wondering - it is better for the birds to see each other with the wire cages? Some advice I've had suggests not to do this - but after reading your journal I wonder.

Also, where can I find 'Daz's nesting box design'?

I really enjoyed reading through your journal. Thanks for that.

Cheers,

Joanne

 

Hi Joanne

Thank you for reading my journal it seems like a lot has happened in a little over two months.

On the wire cages I haven't found the birds seeing each other to be a problem.

I suspect if a pair don't click they are probably more likely to want to talk to the neighbours.

Generally speaking it seems to provide a feeling of openess while being confined if you see what I mean?

 

As for Daz's Nest box design Kaz may be able to point you in the right direction as his web site or at least the one I used doesn't appear to be operational.

Not sure if he ever placed them on the forum but I suspect he has so maybe also try that in the mean time.

 

Let me know if I can be of any more help!

Cheers

Patrick

Forgot to add, I have also found the wire cages easy to keep clean!

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Very sad to hear Patrick definitely the cock that did it ?

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Very sad to hear Patrick definitely the cock that did it ?

 

Hi Kaz

Yes unfortunately he more or less scalped her.

I haven't had a problem with vermin and a cat attack seems unlikely also.

Whether she's resisited mating with him or similar I'll never know.

They're not exhibition quality,but sad all the same!

 

Cheers

Patrick

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Thats no good but I guess breeding is all about the ups and downs, isn't strange for a cock bird to kill a hen? usually it's the hen doing the damage.

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Thats no good but I guess breeding is all about the ups and downs, isn't strange for a cock bird to kill a hen? usually it's the hen doing the damage.

 

Hi Taboo

Normally I would agree with you but in this instance the hen concerned was quite passive and the cock bird was more aggressive and can certainly bite,which is quite the opposite for nearly all my birds.

 

She was just a bit unlucky.

 

Cheers

Patrick

ohh no chicks were okay though?. ohh and alpaca boy to quote a part of one person you reply then delete the parts you dont want to quote. with multiple you click + quote for all the ones you want to quote then add reply at bottom of page.

ohh no chicks were okay though?. ohh and alpaca boy to quote a part of one person you reply then delete the parts you dont want to quote. with multiple you click + quote for all the ones you want to quote then add reply at bottom of page.

 

Hi Houman,

Yes chicks are fine and thanks for asking.

Thanks for the tech advice!

 

Cheers

Patrick

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Very sad to hear Patrick definitely the cock that did it ?

 

 

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Very sad to hear Patrick :rofl: definitely the cock that did it ?

 

Hi Kaz

Yes unfortunately he more or less scalped her.

I haven't had a problem with vermin and a cat attack seems unlikely also.

Whether she's resisited mating with him or similar I'll never know.

They're not exhibition quality,but sad all the same!

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

 

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Thats no good but I guess breeding is all about the ups and downs, isn't strange for a cock bird to kill a hen? usually it's the hen doing the damage.

 

 

Hi all,

I had an unfortunate death last night of one of my hens that has just reared 4 chicks.

The final chick from the pair went into the weaning cage yesterday and some time the cock bird has attacked

her at the back of the head and killed her.

 

Not a pretty sight!

 

On the plus side I managed to get 4 Dom Pied chicks from her.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

Thats no good but I guess breeding is all about the ups and downs, isn't strange for a cock bird to kill a hen? usually it's the hen doing the damage.

 

Hi Taboo

Normally I would agree with you but in this instance the hen concerned was quite passive and the cock bird was more aggressive and can certainly bite,which is quite the opposite for nearly all my birds.

 

She was just a bit unlucky.

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

 

ohh no chicks were okay though?. ohh and alpaca boy to quote a part of one person you reply then delete the parts you dont want to quote. with multiple you click + quote for all the ones you want to quote then add reply at bottom of page.

 

 

ohh no chicks were okay though?. ohh and alpaca boy to quote a part of one person you reply then delete the parts you dont want to quote. with multiple you click + quote for all the ones you want to quote then add reply at bottom of page.

 

Hi Houman,

Yes chicks are fine and thanks for asking.

Thanks for the tech advice!

 

Cheers

Patrick

 

 

 

lol oh boy its that easy i never ever knew how to do that

thanks houman

 

ps you sure not rat