Father

 

Son

 

Uncle

 

If the pics are too big then im sure Elly will be along soon

Edited February 7, 201015 yr by Matt Welchman

Hey Matt, I met you on TB recently.....You have some Big Boys there, they are beautiful

Libby.

Hey Matt, I met you on TB recently.....You have some Big Boys there, they are beautiful

Libby.

 

Hi Libby ,Thanks, you know if you make your kids into workers , then you will have more time to spend with the birds

Lovely birds Matt

nice birds can i have umm the son keep them comeing

i love dad the best hes so beautiful

You know the best thing about these birds?

 

You look at the Dad, nice bird but a bit pinched BUT then you look at the Son and he has nice backscull ~ ie, Good pairing and Well Done!

Agreed, I like the way you've taken the feather features of the father and improved upon these but at the same time added some width. Very nice.

Agreed, I like the way you've taken the feather features of the father and improved upon these but at the same time added some width. Very nice.

 

yes its clear he has got a good son from the dad

but looking at unk its in the genetics the width and back scull

i do like the son but whats not to say the son was not just a through back in size from the lesser brother ????

 

NOT DISSING YOUR BIRDS MATT IM ASKING A QUESTION HERE IM SURE YOU PAIRED VERY WELL ITS OVIOUS YOUR BIRDS ARE LOVELY ...i just want to know why every one ashums its the hen thats be paired that throughs the good with the cock why cant it be the cocks good genetic linkage :question:and an avrage hen ??

Edited February 7, 201015 yr by GenericBlue

Your birds are looking terrific Matt. Showing quite some power in the shoulders amongst other great features. Well done

Just out of curiosity Matt, this beautiful boy:

Uncle

He is "uncle" - nest brother to Dad or Mum (who we haven't seen)?

Father

 

 

Just out of curiosity Matt, this beautiful boy:

Uncle

He is "uncle" - nest brother to Dad or Mum (who we haven't seen)?

 

 

I thought maybe skyblue Father was brother to this one? Maybe the mother is the sister of this one

 

Love your birds Matt

Nice matt, what was the yellow face hen like? as the son seems to have better dirrectional feather than dad, cheers clearwing

Thanks everyone. So if we are to debate them we need more pics , For starters the sky and the cobalt are nest brothers .

Outcross

 

Daughter to Outcross above , Cock bird my line.

And she is out of condition .

Paired hen above to sky cock , my line

Produced these

One round only.

The mother( out of condition ) paired to a different Cock Produced this young 2010 chick

 

Im am now worn out , I cant believe I went back up the aviary today and took more pics just so you guys can have an informed Debate.

Thanks Matt good effort, looks like the downward dirrectional feather must come from your origonal cock line very nice Clearwing

Thanks Matt good effort, looks like the downward dirrectional feather must come from your origonal cock line very nice Clearwing

The yellowface Cock would have to be the best proportional bird Ive bred , I would like to add a bit more across the back of his head and I would like bigger spots, Not really asking for too much am I .Thanks Clearwing.

Agreed, I like the way you've taken the feather features of the father and improved upon these but at the same time added some width. Very nice.

yes its clear he has got a good son from the dad but looking at unk its in the genetics the width and back scull i do like the son but whats not to say the son was not just a through back in size from the lesser brother ????NOT DISSING YOUR BIRDS MATT IM ASKING A QUESTION HERE IM SURE YOU PAIRED VERY WELL ITS OVIOUS YOUR BIRDS ARE LOVELY ...i just want to know why every one ashums its the hen thats be paired that throughs the good with the cock why cant it be the cocks good genetic linkage :question:and an avrage hen ??

GB , Honstly it can come from anywhere. For Novices then secret is , Have a photographic memory , that way you will know what birds are passing on good genetics and the ones that give you nothing but what I call pet shop birds . But if your like me and that photographic memory is not developed . Then get a camera and take photos of them so you can compare and visualize whats going on.

nice birds well done what camera

nice birds well done what camera

 

I use an Olympus E500 .

But you dont need a big camera to get good shots , All you need is patience .

Thanks Matt good effort, looks like the downward dirrectional feather must come from your origonal cock line very nice Clearwing

The yellowface Cock would have to be the best proportional bird Ive bred , I would like to add a bit more across the back of his head and I would like bigger spots, Not really asking for too much am I .Thanks Clearwing.

Agreed, I like the way you've taken the feather features of the father and improved upon these but at the same time added some width. Very nice.

yes its clear he has got a good son from the dad but looking at unk its in the genetics the width and back scull i do like the son but whats not to say the son was not just a through back in size from the lesser brother ????NOT DISSING YOUR BIRDS MATT IM ASKING A QUESTION HERE IM SURE YOU PAIRED VERY WELL ITS OVIOUS YOUR BIRDS ARE LOVELY ...i just want to know why every one ashums its the hen thats be paired that throughs the good with the cock why cant it be the cocks good genetic linkage :question:and an avrage hen ??

GB , Honstly it can come from anywhere. For Novices then secret is , Have a photographic memory , that way you will know what birds are passing on good genetics and the ones that give you nothing but what I call pet shop birds . But if your like me and that photographic memory is not developed . Then get a camera and take photos of them so you can compare and visualize whats going on.

 

 

Paired hen above to sky cock , my line

Produced these

 

okay so looking at these birds id say the mums prepotant for her look ,mask spots all (as all hens look like mum )

the cocks however tend to be a mix of mum and dad the sky yf with mums spot size

her direction across the eye his depth of mask

all chicks gained feather above head

three chicks gained mums shoulder wight

and three got dads good stance

would this be a good summery

?????

im just trying to work out how i tell who got what

very nice clutch by way

thanks for the effort youve gone to with this

A pretty good summary GB

Edited February 10, 201015 yr by Matt Welchman

A pretty good summary GB

 

so their is hope for me lol

so can i ask the out cross you used

this yf hen

did you pair her two the father of these boys to get the daughter then paired the daughter back to the father or no????

sorry for the questions just its interesting to see the improvement on birds as you say visually opposed to just hearing results

 

these sorts of threads really help me to understand the bringing together of quality's to produce something great and i really want to get the understanding right before i go trying to build my own line of birds and installing a trate thats unwanted through not understanding the process

A pretty good summary GB

 

so their is hope for me lol

so can i ask the out cross you used

this yf hen

did you pair her two the father of these boys to get the daughter then paired the daughter back to the father or no????

sorry for the questions just its interesting to see the improvement on birds as you say visually opposed to just hearing results

 

these sorts of threads really help me to understand the bringing together of quality's to produce something great and i really want to get the understanding right before i go trying to build my own line of birds and installing a trate thats unwanted through not understanding the process

 

 

 

 

The Cock bird I put to this hen was not related , What I did was blend Four lines together over two generations. to Get the resulting young birds .

The Hen above , I dont really like , she has the Key hole look but she was a big bird , I mean in length and Skeleton frame.

My challenge is to pair , the young to the right birds , will see how it goes.

A pretty good summary GB

 

so their is hope for me lol

so can i ask the out cross you used

this yf hen

did you pair her two the father of these boys to get the daughter then paired the daughter back to the father or no????

sorry for the questions just its interesting to see the improvement on birds as you say visually opposed to just hearing results

 

these sorts of threads really help me to understand the bringing together of quality's to produce something great and i really want to get the understanding right before i go trying to build my own line of birds and installing a trate thats unwanted through not understanding the process

 

 

 

 

The Cock bird I put to this hen was not related , What I did was blend Four lines together over two generations. to Get the resulting young birds .

The Hen above , I dont really like , she has the Key hole look but she was a big bird , I mean in length and Skeleton frame.

My challenge is to pair , the young to the right birds , will see how it goes.

 

yes she may have the key hole but its that that has given the right direction with the cock you used with the other yellow face hen by looks

a use full thin the key hole if paired rightly

i love that look as i love to use it to enhance my birds head feather height (blow)

A couple of my 2010 blue ringers.

 

 

 

Wow !! looking so good. You would have to be real happy about the youngsters coming through here

Edited March 6, 201015 yr by KAZ