Why is it that,that every blue bird,that is posted on here is a violet.Most are just Cobalts,

okay.................Just for you Macka

 

I saw your little post in another topic and I just want to bring up a point.

A lot of sky violet birds are MISTAKEN for cobalts. It takes an experienced eye to distinguish between a cobalt bird and a skyviolet bird.

I am able to tell the difference and I am asked many times over here by breeders more expperinced than I am to identify it in their birds ...to help.

 

Here is an excerpt from a very good article by Peter Bergman

 

The Violet Skyblue

The addition of the Violet factor (V) to the Skyblue (vvdd) produces our most basic Violet factor bird in the blue series, the Violet Skyblue (Vvdd). The term “Violet Skyblue” really only refers to the genetic make up of the bird rather than its colour. If I had to put a name to the actual shade of blue “cyan” is about as close as I could come. Violet Skyblues vary in their depth of colour a fair bit. At the pale extreme their body colour is nearly as pale as the deepest shades of Skyblue. Very pale Violet Skyblues tend to be patchier than richly coloured Skyblues and have a cyan rather than turquoise tint to their feathers. At the dark extreme the body colour is very much like a medium shade of Cobalt. Most Violet Skyblues fall somewhere in between the two extremes and resemble pale Cobalts. A point that should not be lost here is that dark Violet Skyblues are darker in body colour than the paler shades of Cobalt.

 

The best guide to distinguishing Violet Skyblues from Cobalts are the tail and flight feathers. Cobalt tails are a solid navy blue. The darker the Cobalt body colour, the deeper the blue of the tail but even the palest Normal Cobalts have navy blue tails. In Violet Skyblues the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip. The depth of turquoise in the tail varies with the depth of body colour. The difference we see in the tails can also be seen in the flight feathers. The colour in the flight feathers of Cobalts is dark blue. In Violet Skyblues there is a glossier turquoise iridescence like that seen in Skyblues but slightly darker that the Skyblue. In general Violet Skyblues have a brighter appearance than Cobalts.

 

When learning how to distinguish between Violet Skyblues and Cobalts, bright natural light is best. Direct sunlight is to be avoided. Artificial light can distort the colour of the bird making identification more difficult. Violet Skyblues appear darker under artificial light, particularly under fluorescent light. The turquoise iridescence can be more difficult to see under fluorescent light. The tail and flight feather method is most useful when dealing with Normals and Opalines but has its limitations when dealing with other varieties. One feature Cobalts usually have is ribbing. In Cobalts the breast and abdominal feathers have faint lateral striations resembling faint versions of the kind of markings found on the heads of Normals. The presence of ribbing can be useful in identifying Cobalts in certain varieties. In Dominant Pieds for example where the tail and flight feathers are white, ribbing on the breast feathers indicates the bird is a Cobalt and not a Violet Skyblue. The ability to identify Violet Skyblues and separate them from the Cobalts is the key to the proper understanding of Violet breeding. The failure to correctly distinguish between the two colours has led to all sorts of myth, rumour, and general misinformation about the Violet factor.

 

 

The whole article http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/p.../violets01.html

Edited October 18, 200915 yr by KAZ

I have a sky blue, a violet sky blue, a cobalt and a violet cobalt chick all coming up with feathers.

 

Will post some side by sides soon to help people distinguish.

great topic and thanks for posting that great article by Peter Bergman Kaz it is very helpful

If all these sky blue Voilets ? cobalts.Why is it that the Voilet class,is just starting now as a Display class,

to breed the Violets up to a compition class,or is it only in Victoria,that a they are not a strong class,there is some good ones about,but most are down the line birds.

I have a sky blue, a violet sky blue, a cobalt and a violet cobalt chick all coming up with feathers.

 

Will post some side by sides soon to help people distinguish.

 

 

That would be great........thanks Dean_NZ

If all these sky blue Voilets ? cobalts.Why is it that the Voilet class,is just starting now as a Display class,

to breed the Violets up to a compition class,or is it only in Victoria,that a they are not a strong class,there is some good ones about,but most are down the line birds.

 

what do you mean down the line birds macka ??

and to your question

i think its because to breed violets at show standard is a lot harder than you think as violet is a colour altering gene and can come out very patchy

also because as kaz stated its tricky to distinguish between a sky violet and a good cobalt

making it hard to bring in as a class, but being new as you know to showing i cant answer that .

really their quiet easy to breed once you have a few but you must have a bird carrying violet genetics to produce violets

you cant just put a sky and cobalt and think you will get a violet as it wont happen

I think Macka is just a bit frustrated that people hardly seem to say "i have a nice sky blue or cobalt" they alway seem to ask "is this bird a violet? it has a bit of purple on it, I thin it's a violet!" Or they say "this is my violet blah blah blah".

 

I agree, many people still have a lot of difficulty identify sky blue violets and normal cobalts, relying mainly on visual violets which are typically SF violet cobalts but I had a DF violet sky blue that was as purple as can be.

When Macka said down the line I think he meant that even though they are visual violet which is what the class is not sky violet or green violet or any other what ever, is that most violets are small in size and lack substance, head, body shoulder and the works. PLUS patchy. IS THIS RIGHT MACKA but my violets are are pretty good for a beginner anyway but I do need to build up their chest and shoulder at least that's what I think, their size, head and feather and colour is very good fall away a bit in the body. Crikey I am learning as I am criticizing my own birds on cyper space

If all these sky blue Voilets ? cobalts.Why is it that the Voilet class,is just starting now as a Display class,

to breed the Violets up to a compition class,or is it only in Victoria,that a they are not a strong class,there is some good ones about,but most are down the line birds.

Only VISUAL VIOLETS are to be entered Macka. Not sky violets, and not cobalts. You should know that.

I think Macka is just a bit frustrated that people hardly seem to say "i have a nice sky blue or cobalt" they alway seem to ask "is this bird a violet? it has a bit of purple on it, I thin it's a violet!" Or they say "this is my violet blah blah blah".

 

I agree, many people still have a lot of difficulty identify sky blue violets and normal cobalts, relying mainly on visual violets which are typically SF violet cobalts but I had a DF violet sky blue that was as purple as can be.

 

 

I sort of agree too. AND it does seem, just from sitting back and watching, that most will give an opinion of violet sky well before they give an opinion of a normal cobalt. I did notice that personally and had the same thought as macka.

 

But then I'm no expert on violets so I'll keep mum on actually diagnosing one :rofl:

their are so many violets in pets

i know for fact that all my pets carry violet apart from the skys that i brought to breed with them

as i took 3 years to achieve doing this so

if i have said this is sky violet then in my case it is true in my pets and im sorry if it anoys

i will just say this is a blue series bird for now on :rofl:

That is correct GB,the blue series. :rofl:

That is correct GB,the blue series.

 

well your right technically they are just another blue series bird

just people feel like their something special when their classed as violet

and when the modifying gene kicks in and makes them appear visually violet well i guess if the shoe fits

the only reason the sky violet (which i class as 1 factor violet )

is really needed to be mentioned is if someone is trying to breed violets as you get more visual violets from a 1 factor violet sky bird than you do from a visual violet so thats why if im selling my birds here

i mention their full genetic make up modifying gene and all as if others know what they are wanting to breed then makes it easier for them to make a decision through just reading the mutations given

they will know that they will be able to breed violets with this information, if they know their genetics :rofl:

I have a cobalt spangle that is violet bred he is much richer in colour than a cobalt but I class him as a cobalt but from now on Macka i will say his is violet bred even my greens are violet bred they are between Lt green and Dk green in colour.

Interestingly one of the greywings I bought in from the Pine Rivers auction ( a Ken Seagrott bird ) was described as a skyblue greywing in the catalogue. When he arrived I was delighted to find he was actually a skyviolet. The intensity of the blue in his feathers is obvious and the purple hue around his neckline also showed it.

 

 

Only one chick showed up first round and she too is skyviolet. Mother is green split blue.

 

Great vibrancy of colour and feather to die for. She will be a little stunner !

Why is it that,that every blue bird,that is posted on here is a violet.Most are just Cobalts,

 

Macka, there's not just one simple answer to this. Firstly distinguishing between Cobalts and Violet Sky's is difficult for some people, especially those newer to the hobby. Secondly, and probably most importantly, almost all of us reading this forum have probably not had their monitor professionally calibrated to accurately reflect true colour. The colour you view on your monitor varies depending upon what ambient light you're viewing the monitor in. My wife is a photographer and does a lot of Photoshop work. Her work area is under artificial "natural" lighting so that her results are consistent. For most of us, viewing the same picture in daylight and again under night lighting will drastically alter the colour, but generally we don't care.

 

Next, most on here are probably amatuer photographers at best (myself included) and find some of the finer adjustments on their camera a bit daunting. Below is a picture I took at our show in June with what was then another brand new camera (I have a personal problem with buying new cameras, but I'll get help I swear ). The area of the hall where this bird was situated was a mix of daylight and flourescent lighting. Both the Auto White Balance and my attempt at manually correcting this in-camera failed. The result is a fantastic coloured Violet! In the second picture I've done a quick colour correction using a VERY basic editing program at work with the result being that on MY monitor it looks closer to how it was on the day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See the difference? It is for this reason that I rarely comment on posts asking exactly what colour a bird may be as there is just too much variance between monitors and lighting conditions and camera settings. As an example, I have the Greywing picture of Kaz's displayed simultaneously on 2 monitors right now. On the first I can see a slight Violet wash on the body colour. On the second it looks just like a standard Sky colour to me.

 

By The Way, it's a pretty fair Violet above. Not mine unfortunately.

I have the Greywing picture of Kaz's displayed simultaneously on 2 monitors right now. On the first I can see a slight Violet wash on the body colour. On the second it looks just like a standard Sky colour to me.

 

Yeah, even on the photo I posted the right colour didnt come out as I see it either. Blues are so hard to photograph.

Why is it that,that every blue bird,that is posted on here is a violet.Most are just Cobalts,

 

Macka, there's not just one simple answer to this. Firstly distinguishing between Cobalts and Violet Sky's is difficult for some people, especially those newer to the hobby. Secondly, and probably most importantly, almost all of us reading this forum have probably not had their monitor professionally calibrated to accurately reflect true colour. The colour you view on your monitor varies depending upon what ambient light you're viewing the monitor in. My wife is a photographer and does a lot of Photoshop work. Her work area is under artificial "natural" lighting so that her results are consistent. For most of us, viewing the same picture in daylight and again under night lighting will drastically alter the colour, but generally we don't care.

 

Next, most on here are probably amatuer photographers at best (myself included) and find some of the finer adjustments on their camera a bit daunting. Below is a picture I took at our show in June with what was then another brand new camera (I have a personal problem with buying new cameras, but I'll get help I swear ). The area of the hall where this bird was situated was a mix of daylight and flourescent lighting. Both the Auto White Balance and my attempt at manually correcting this in-camera failed. The result is a fantastic coloured Violet! In the second picture I've done a quick colour correction using a VERY basic editing program at work with the result being that on MY monitor it looks closer to how it was on the day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See the difference? It is for this reason that I rarely comment on posts asking exactly what colour a bird may be as there is just too much variance between monitors and lighting conditions and camera settings. As an example, I have the Greywing picture of Kaz's displayed simultaneously on 2 monitors right now. On the first I can see a slight Violet wash on the body colour. On the second it looks just like a standard Sky colour to me.

 

By The Way, it's a pretty fair Violet above. Not mine unfortunately.

 

 

 

I totally agree with Daryl as a use to be photographer and have a diploma in graphic arts I know my colours and my monitor never tells me the truth put me in a dark room and I am a genius, that's why I never comment much on color either, when I post photos of my violets that never really look violet on the computer but in real life they are vibrant.

Edited October 19, 200915 yr by splat

I guess,what Iam trying to say is,there is alot of confusion,

between the violet & cobalt.You only have to look

at the standard colour chart.The true violet is a very deep

colour.It will be very interesting when they make it a class

for points at the National.

I guess,what Iam trying to say is,there is alot of confusion,

between the violet & cobalt.You only have to look

at the standard colour chart.The true violet is a very deep

colour.It will be very interesting when they make it a class

for points at the National. :rofl:

Our clubs over in W.A. are already showing violet classes. Only true ppurple looking visual violets are elligible. At the first couple of shows some people submitted birds that were not true violets so these birds were removed from showing in that category.

Hi

 

Thought this would be a great place to post my budgies "Macka" & "Molly"

 

Have been told that one is a sky blue violet opaline spangle and the other cobalt violet cinnamon wing??

 

Macka

 

 

Molly

 

 

I guess,what Iam trying to say is,there is alot of confusion,

between the violet & cobalt.You only have to look

at the standard colour chart.The true violet is a very deep

colour.It will be very interesting when they make it a class

for points at the National. :hooray:

There is a very big difference between cobalt and violet..... in my mind a true violet bird has to be a deeper shade and look purple. I have one in my aviary like that....a cock. In a breeding cage I have a violet opaline hen...she too is visual violet.

The greywing hen chick of my skyviolet greywing cock is feathering up to be skyviolet like her dad. She is three weeks old. The intensity of her skyblue fairly rocks your socks BUT it doesnt translate well in photos. She also has the violet hue around her neck at mask level. Her tail is purple. I will email the breeder of the cock and ask about the parents.