Hi again, there was a long time I wrote with you. know I don't have a lot of time to do it but last week reading spanish forum I saw something interesting.so like a picture says more than a milion words here you have:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 200915 yr by KAZ

i get the feeling some bleaching has been going on.

Somebody has made experiment with H2O2 with no results feathers didn't change color

here you have videos

 

Looks like a buff budgie.... like a Buff Chicken..... Never seen this before.. hmmm

 

 

and that second Videos... that water is nasty... I wouldnt wanna drink that..

Edited October 4, 200915 yr by BudgieB

I don't know if anyone would try it on a live bird but if you bleach feathers for art work you can get this colour

Looks like bleach or hydrogen peroxide application.

Wouldn't if you put hydrogen peroxide on the birds, that would kill them and very much damage their feathers?

No i use hydrogen peroxide to remove blood stains, and i've heard of it being used to bleach head flecking out of feathers (well, I've heard it was used in the attempt, don't know if it succeeded or not).

 

I would love nothing more than to hear that this is a genuine new mutation. I think it looks great. However it seems more likely to be suspicious at this point.

I'm waiting on photos of parents and relatives ...... maybe Luisa will post them if and when they become available

These birds are showing up on budgie forums everywhere. It's causing quite a stir. I expect with all the interest things will become clear one way or another in reasonabe time.

man :rofl: my dodgie hair dressers down town her could do a better job

sorry biggest crock ive seen for ever :hap:

GB I'm with you. There are just a couple on inconsistences here.

 

Feathers are composed of keratin and contain Melanin and in green series birds Pscittacine pigments. When a mutation ocours which affects melanin it is either a luecistic, albanistic or a dilution mutation.

 

In budgies the undulated markings, spots and feet contain melanin. In all mutations to date any change in undulated feathers change also ocours in the spot feather i.e Spangle. Changes which are albanistic in nature have effects of varying degrees over the entire bird i.e. Ino, Fallow, Cinnamon. Luecistic changes are localised, switching production on or off i.e. Pieds.

 

These birds are clearly showing albanistic traits yet don't have red eyes or pink feet.

They show a changed melanin over all undulated feathers but it stops at the neck. Since the undulated feathers over the neck and head area are controlled by the same genes for the wings it cannot suddently change the melenin in one area without affecting the other. It must be remember that the pattern, placement, quatity of undulations is the end result of an evolutionary process over thousand of years.

 

The 'violet' coloured birds also shows a high degree of 'orange' feather in patches over the body with the heaviest on the rump yet the tail is unaffected. Melanin resides in the body feathers but in much smaller quantites than that found in the undualtions, yet the intensity of the 'orange' is on a par with the back of the bird.

 

There are chemicals widely used to die feather for the craft trade. Any "Acid Dye" with suffice. RIT is a very common cloth dye, I have used it myself for dyeing wool as well as any number of sources for natural dyes i.e. onion skins, mulberry leaves. You can even use "Koolaid"

 

As for bleaches (chlororines) or hydrogen peroxide (H₂O₂)generally they tend to cause a faded effect rather than changing the colour. I did a test today to check out what a very powferful bleach would do and it destroyed the feather. No bird was harmed, it was an already shed scapular feather.

 

So to finish I am quite convined it is a hoax.

Edited October 4, 200915 yr by RIPbudgies

GB I'm with you. There are just a couple on inconsistences here.

 

Feathers are composed of keratin and contain Melanin and in green series birds Pscittacine pigments. When a mutation ocours which affects melanin it is either a luecistic, albanistic or a dilution mutation.

 

In budgies the undulated markings, spots and feet contain melanin. In all mutations to date any change in undulated feathers change also ocours in the spot feather i.e Spangle. Changes which are albanistic in nature have effects of varying degrees over the entire bird i.e. Ino, Fallow, Cinnamon. Luecistic changes are localised, switching production on or off i.e. Pieds.

 

These birds are clearly showing albanistic traits yet don't have red eyes or pink feet.

They show a changed melanin over all undulated feathers but it stops at the neck. Since the undulated feathers over the neck and head area are controlled by the same genes for the wings it cannot suddently change the melenin in one area without affecting the other. It must be remember that the pattern, placement, quatity of undulations is the end result of an evolutionary process over thousand of years.

 

The 'violet' coloured birds also shows a high degree of 'orange' feather in patches over the body with the heaviest on the rump yet the tail is unaffected. Melanin resides in the body feathers but in much smaller quantites than that found in the undualtions, yet the intensity of the 'orange' is on a par with the back of the bird.

 

There are chemicals widely used to die feather for the craft trade. Any "Acid Dye" with suffice. RIT is a very common cloth dye, I have used it myself for dyeing wool as well as any number of sources for natural dyes i.e. onion skins, mulberry leaves. You can even use "Koolaid"

 

As for bleaches (chlororines) or hydrogen peroxide (H₂O₂)generally they tend to cause a faded effect rather than changing the colour. I did a test today to check out what a very powferful bleach would do and it destroyed the feather. No bird was harmed, it was an already shed scapular feather.

 

So to finish I am quite convined it is a hoax.

 

:hap: really bad try at that for anyone with any real knowledge as rip says the melenm ..stuff that afects the colouring is efected in both the wings and the body seperatly the first dead give up its not for real :hap: dumb who ever thunk of it :rofl: crack up i did need a laugh but i could have done with out the extra washing :hap: :rofl: :rofl:

Those poor birds.

My thoughts exactly RIP, except I didn't quite have the words for it like you :rofl: :hap:

I don't undestand a lot that you says...

like this:

happy0195.gif really bad try at that for anyone with any real knowledge as rip says the melenm ..stuff that afects the colouring is efected in both the wings and the body seperatly the first dead give up its not for real happy0195.gif dumb lightbulb.gif who ever thunk of it laughter.gif crack up i did need a laugh but i could have done with out the extra washing rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif

I don't undestand a lot that you says...

like this:

happy0195.gif really bad try at that for anyone with any real knowledge as rip says the melenm ..stuff that afects the colouring is efected in both the wings and the body seperatly the first dead give up its not for real happy0195.gif dumb lightbulb.gif who ever thunk of it laughter.gif crack up i did need a laugh but i could have done with out the extra washing rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif

 

basically its all just a joke a budgie could never come out in full feather like that some one had to of done this to the poor birds

as I stated bleaching or better stated use of hydrogen peroxide has taken place. People TRIED to do this to a bird with flecking in the nationals a couple of years ago with this outcome (the birds where removed)

as I stated bleaching or better stated use of hydrogen peroxide has taken place. People TRIED to do this to a bird with flecking in the nationals a couple of years ago with this outcome (the birds where removed)

I agree with Nerwen on this.

The thing that stands out for me, as RIP pointed out, is the "orange" markings not displaying consistently through the head and neck area. It just doesn't tie in with any existing mutations.

 

What bothers me most out of this though is that if it is a hoax (and it certainly appears to be) then the next time someone tries it they may spend more time "bleaching" all the black feathers and have quite a few casualties in the process. If whatever agent is used to change a feather gets on the skin or worse, into the eyes, I'd hate to think what suffering the bird would go through.

I have some news, sory no pictures, but I taked with owner (Rene) and he tolked me that budgies had moulted and they still have orenge wings, but niw he is not going to breed them.

 

I want to buy them but he lives so far from my house.... I have to wait a friend of mine that drive from USA to Puebla bring me them.

okay, I will do it, I will go on record as saying it

 

HE IS LYING

 

There is no way possible that is normal or a genetic mutation.

Hi again, there was a long time I wrote with you. know I don't have a lot of time to do it but last week reading spanish forum I saw something interesting.so like a picture says more than a milion words here you have:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry but I really feel like speaking mind for a change and this is bull#$%& and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for dying a birds feathers, this is classed as cruety to animals. and I don't care if I cop it for saying what I think.

Edited January 13, 201015 yr by Dave_McMinn

Adelaide Nats - I saw the budgies myself and had to deal (via ANBC committee) with the repremands dealt out and the changing of show rules so that no tampering like this ever happened again. It was admitted by the person concerned to be the use of bleach to try and remove flecking. The birds heads ended up having a strange orange colour - hmmmmm JUST like the orange wing colour.