well as some you know i decided to get into showing birds and breeding show birds

so far i havent breed anything

im just gathering stock to get myself started

first i gathered all my cocks and a odd hen

now i have gathered the last of my hens

from now on any hens i will breed for myself

with the exception of the exceptional hen as a out cross to my new lines

in which wont even be getting started in till quiet some time as quarantine and pairing birds being in condition

weather ect ect

this does not really bother me though as all my birds are o8 breed birds except the odd cock may be tad older here and their

 

so new birds i got few days ago all from same breeder

 

spangle grey hen

this hen was brought on bases of size and colour more than mutation and will be used in my albino breedings

 

 

 

 

grey normal hen this bird brought for size also and for my lacewing breedings

 

 

 

green opaline cinnamon hen this bird brought for head wighth and mutation to be used in my lacewing breedings

 

 

 

this photo makes me go yuk why did i get her as she looks like she got no tail lol

but she doesnt look like that its the angle

 

next opaline green normal hen also for lacewing breeding plan

 

 

 

 

well thats it for now

i got a yellow df spangle hen 08

comming soon and with what i have i think i have a pretty good start but only time will tell

i can only try

if i fail and give it in

at least i will have the best pet type birds for sale

but i dont think i will be giving up to fast after all i have a five year plan

and it is only just comming together

Looks like you did very well for yourself! Love the last 3 birds!

hey good hens

 

with the grey hen if you have yellow lacewings do not breed a grey bird to tham but a grey-green or any green will be okay

 

the grey is good with blue lacewing

 

gust a tip but you may know this

Looking good GB ...... I have all my fingers and toes crossed for you

hey good hens

 

with the grey hen if you have yellow lacewings do not breed a grey bird to tham but a grey-green or any green will be okay

 

the grey is good with blue lacewing

 

gust a tip but you may know this

 

thank you shannon

i did know not to mix your green base lacewings with your white based

as colour can be afected

if i remember if you breed grey to a yellow you get mustard grey yellows

and if you breed green with your white base you get green shine in them

as you would breeding to a sky blue bird get a blue shine

 

prob is i was only going to breed white based lacewings but could only get grey green / cocks although i did manage to pick up a white lacewing cock but havent yet recived still part of the comming together of the big plan lol

so i decided if i can breed my own /lacewing grey cocks and white lacewing cocks blue based

and then yellow based lacewing hens from some my /lacewing grey greens

that their has to be a way to combine the two as to get some nice blue based lacewings but i havent thought that far as yet but the plan was just to breed lacewings in diffrent combination pairings for a bit keep all visuals of either blue or green based and the splits that excel in features size and ect and cull the other cocks that were / lacewing then see what combinations combin well to produce good show type chicks from each pairing then choose the birds i want to start my foundation with from them out comes selling of anything that does not hold my desired look

sounds good but.....we will see i really have no clue and am starting with one the hardest mutations to get spot one but hay i love a challange

 

thanks kaz

and libby im going to need lots of critercizem and encoragement if i really want to nail this so please all you show breeders out their

speak your minds and any tips would be most welcome and apreshiated

Edited July 28, 200916 yr by GenericBlue

haha i know how you feel if i knew what i'm meant to look for i'd help but i'm still learning also

haha i know how you feel if i knew what i'm meant to look for i'd help but i'm still learning also

 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

thanks lib, i guess were all all just learning

im really interested in what the right colours are to breed for the lasewings

i was under belife that for yellow you used

light green

dark green ,olive ,grey green or mauve

and for blue base you used

grey

mauve ,violet or grey green split to blue

which i dont think i have just grey greens from green to grey pairings

my green opaline is from a lute hen and a i havent got paper work yet getting it soon

i dont even know if she is light green or dark lol i never done greens its all new

and does it really effect the colours that much to put a grey green to a white base hen and if so

why do people do it all the time ????

prob is i was only going to breed white based lacewings but could only get grey green / cocks although i did manage to pick up a white lacewing cock but havent yet recived still part of the comming together of the big plan lol

so i decided if i can breed my own /lacewing grey cocks and white lacewing cocks blue based

and then yellow based lacewing hens from some my /lacewing grey greens

sounds good but.....we will see i really have no clue and am starting with one the hardest mutations to get spot one but hay i love a challange

 

 

 

 

hey

 

i have got a yellow lacewing spilt blue male so if i breed it to a blue cinnamon-wing hen i will get 50%lacewings hens 50%split lacewing cocks

 

and 50%blue lacewings and 50%yellow lacewings

 

but i will not get good blue lacewing and good yellow lacewings but lest i will have a line to sart of with

 

and nubby breeds yellow to blue have a look at how she pairs up but she is tiring to get yellow i think

 

any i do not think this makes cents

Hi GB,

 

Looks like you have done well for yourself. The hens are all reasonable quality. Now the trick is to get them to breed. Personally, I would not get too hung up on variety at this stage of your breeding program. Focus on breeding the best bird you can. Whilst coulour and variety are important, they are not as important as overall conformation.

 

Cheers, PT

Hi GB,

 

Looks like you have done well for yourself. The hens are all reasonable quality. Now the trick is to get them to breed. Personally, I would not get too hung up on variety at this stage of your breeding program. Focus on breeding the best bird you can. Whilst coulour and variety are important, they are not as important as overall conformation.

 

Cheers, PT

 

 

I agree with PT here, don't get too hung up on "getting the Lacewing pairings right". All the hens look useful and with the (lack of) quality of Lacewings I've seen around just pair them how you see fit to improve the quality of your birds.

 

In general for improving the quality of the Lacewing variety you want to get the dark factor into your yellow series (ie Dark or Olive Green, or Grey Greens carrying one or two Dark factors) as a darker yellow is preferred. However, the white series birds are best bred with no dark factors (ie using Light Green or Sky Blue) to reduce the appearance of body suffusion. Both Yellow and White Lacewings benefit from the use of the Grey Factor (be it Grey or Grey Green) in reducing the effect of sheen.

 

In your case none of the hens appear to carry any dark factors, so just pair for quality and to get some Lacewings if that's what you're after.

 

Also, I reckon the Spangle Grey hen is ready to breed now as in her 4th picture she appears to be displaying (head feathers ruffled, tail feathers slightly spread and upright appearance) to some other bird.

Looking good GB the only thing I have to say is the grey green cinn hen by the photo looks she is short in the body as it looks there is not much space between the shoulder and the perch so make sure you put her with a long bird.

PT is right breed for the best at this early stage not variety. I started out like you and went back to the dominant breeds to learn all I can. :rofl:

Hi GB,

 

Looks like you have done well for yourself. The hens are all reasonable quality. Now the trick is to get them to breed. Personally, I would not get too hung up on variety at this stage of your breeding program. Focus on breeding the best bird you can. Whilst coulour and variety are important, they are not as important as overall conformation.

 

Cheers, PT

 

 

I agree with PT here, don't get too hung up on "getting the Lacewing pairings right". All the hens look useful and with the (lack of) quality of Lacewings I've seen around just pair them how you see fit to improve the quality of your birds.

 

In general for improving the quality of the Lacewing variety you want to get the dark factor into your yellow series (ie Dark or Olive Green, or Grey Greens carrying one or two Dark factors) as a darker yellow is preferred. However, the white series birds are best bred with no dark factors (ie using Light Green or Sky Blue) to reduce the appearance of body suffusion. Both Yellow and White Lacewings benefit from the use of the Grey Factor (be it Grey or Grey Green) in reducing the effect of sheen.

 

In your case none of the hens appear to carry any dark factors, so just pair for quality and to get some Lacewings if that's what you're after.

 

Also, I reckon the Spangle Grey hen is ready to breed now as in her 4th picture she appears to be displaying (head feathers ruffled, tail feathers slightly spread and upright appearance) to some other bird.

 

 

 

 

 

 

she tellin it were to go actually lol

but they are all ready but in quarinteene i wont breed intill im fully organized with all my show birds

i have two very nice lacewing hens so i got a good start sisters also but their only prob is a thumb print easy to fix in thery but will see

im not really that worryed about getting it right first time i know it takes years but im seeing if i have the eye lol

i still dont want to mix my mutations eg spangle into lacewings as i want to stick to normals in my lacewings and opaline

spangles can go in my albino lines

i think your right daryl i think their light greens my hens

so will need to breed to grey or grey green which was the plan for them

i have a lovley grey/ino your all may remember from action so he will be for the grey hen that way i will get all normals and albinos masking grey and normal

best way for now i think till i get the grasp also going to breed my grey green dilute to a few diffrent hens get some splits

as im going to use dilute insted of cinnimon if i can in my albino lines

stop any serfushion showing through on wings

thing is i know heaps as breed show when very young how i started with birds but some one stole them all and the people in the game were all looking down on me because my young age they were all like 30 40's i was 12 ,13 so i stopped birds altogether

thought id give showing one more try

but only you guys are helping me and mabe two people in my club

so.... its not easy having all the older school terms also doesnt help and memory lose to boot lol

i was going to get some one to help me with my pairings like i was going to show them my veiw and ask theirs but it still hasnt happened so

when im ready i will post best pics i can of each bird full body and see what you all think for now its a waiting game still a few birds im waiting on and after their quarrenteened

i can get started so about october i think if im luck other wize i will hold off till march next year get one round from all then august september another round each

well thanks guys

i apreshiate imput and am listening to you

yes splat she is bit short in butt and have lovley nice boy to complament her

i am trying mainly for getting just some good birds any mutation but if i can get some nice lacewings with my /lacewing cocks why not they will all be hens so...thats the plan for now i have 7 split lacewing boys 3 from nubbly and one full lacewing boy on way i have 12 pair show birds all up when they all get her still got to gather a few from breeders homes its hard when you dont drive

Edited July 29, 200916 yr by KAZ

this one my lacewing hens picture not to good does not do her justice and she been feeding young chicks her so

give that a count and i think she is good start for lacewing hen