Posted February 6, 200916 yr Friend and me were talking about mutattions and we were wondering what is the hardest mutation to breed for or is there one?
February 7, 200916 yr What about blackface? Or rainbow? or halfsider? Are they rarer than anthracite?
February 7, 200916 yr Blackface only occured as a result of a point mutation which was bred in to subsequent generations so can't actually be 'bred for'. Halfsider is commonly considered to be two birds in one, where two embryos fuse in the early stages of development so also can't be bred for. Rainbow is just a matter of putting together the right colour combinations. Â Â It's pretty hard to breed a nice show crested, the genetics are all over the place and add to that size issues and it's a bit of a struggle. Same goes for many of the recessive colourings which can also struggle with size. Edited February 7, 200916 yr by melbournebudgies
February 7, 200916 yr The thing is with most of those rarer colours you have to have a certain amount of the basic genetics there to start with, it's not always a matter of putting the right birds together for a few generations and there you go.
February 7, 200916 yr Anthracite - black budgie - only found overseasAnthracites are a dark grey budgie not BLACK What about blackface? Or rainbow? or halfsider? Are they rarer than anthracite?Rainbow is not an actual mutation. It is someone's interpetation of a bird with certain colours.
February 7, 200916 yr a recessive pied and clearwings Recessive pieds are not hard to breed. Â Â no but to get them bigger it is
February 7, 200916 yr a recessive pied and clearwings Recessive pieds are not hard to breed. Â Â no but to get them bigger it is Breed them to good sized normals to get good splits or breed them to good sized splits.
February 7, 200916 yr Slate was more popular at one time, mostly in the UK if i remember. However its day seems to have passed and again i havent read about it in a while but if i remember rightly it is now considered a specialist breed (meaning only a few people can be bothered breeding it because its difficult to work with and that means it would take too long to get to show quality and is cast aside to those who love a challenge). Â I'm sure there are some articles on slate history and breeding.
February 7, 200916 yr a recessive pied and clearwings Recessive pieds are not hard to breed. Â Â no but to get them bigger it is Breed them to good sized normals to get good splits or breed them to good sized splits. Â Â okay so not recessive pieds
February 7, 200916 yr Are crests hard to breed? I've heard of japanese helicopter crests, how do you get these?
February 7, 200916 yr Slate is a sex linked gene which is really only bred mainly in the UK now and it is not related to grey genes at all. Â Yes crested can be hard (and frustrating) to breed well. I've never heard of a Japanese helicopter crest unless that is simply a funky name for the Japanese crested which has a forward/upward pointing tuft of feathers at the base of the front of the neck as well as a head crest.
February 7, 200916 yr This is the helicopter crest. Â Â Â What about saddleback, I've only recently heard of this mutation.
February 7, 200916 yr I know no one's done it yet so it's a topic of possibilities, but the White Faced Green. Would it be considered dominant or recessive? Green is dominant, yes? Is White Face dominant or recessive? I read an article written by a professor in the early 90's who stated that it is likely to be bred in an amateur's aviary. That is my fervent wish, to breed the WFG - and have the naming rights! Although I doubt you could beat WFG as a name.
February 8, 200916 yr Since a white faced green doesnt exist, same as a red or black budgie doesnt exist, I dont think its fits this category
February 8, 200916 yr Since a white faced green doesnt exist, same as a red or black budgie doesnt exist, I dont think its fits this category They would then be the hardest to breed ?. Just because they arent in our avaries doesnt mean they cannot exist , Nature has performed wonderious things before . The question was what was the hardest mutation to find/breed for ? . This to me is the mutations, That we dont have.
February 8, 200916 yr Since a white faced green doesnt exist, same as a red or black budgie doesnt exist, I dont think its fits this category They would then be the hardest to breed ?. Just because they arent in our avaries doesnt mean they cannot exist , Nature has performed wonderious things before . The question was what was the hardest mutation to find/breed for ? . This to me is the mutations, That we dont have. To me, a mutation that exists is a named mutation and then we can decide if its hard to breed based on them existing and what we know of breeding them. If it doesnt exist it is not a mutation at all YET. Its kind of like saying the purple budgie with pink spotted wings, black tail and yellow and blue striped flights is the hardest to breed Edited February 8, 200916 yr by KAZ
February 8, 200916 yr Since a white faced green doesnt exist, same as a red or black budgie doesnt exist, I dont think its fits this category They would then be the hardest to breed ?. Just because they arent in our avaries doesnt mean they cannot exist , Nature has performed wonderious things before . The question was what was the hardest mutation to find/breed for ? . This to me is the mutations, That we dont have. To me, a mutation that exists is a named mutation and then we can decide if its hard to breed based on them existing and what we know of breeding them. If it doesnt exist it is not a mutation at all YET. Its kind of like saying the purple budgie with pink spotted wings, black tail and yellow and blue striped flights is the hardest to breed  If we are to talk about existing mutations , Then none of them are hard to breed , as long as you can purchase the variety , you can breed them. But in saying that , If you are talking to conforming to the show standard for a particular variety , then its a completly different subject, All Varieties have to be respected as different challenges, That is why there are specialist breeders .
February 8, 200916 yr Yes, one of the others just said that crested budgies are hard to breed because the genetics are unknown, plus there is also the lethal factor.
February 8, 200916 yr Yes, one of the others just said that crested budgies are hard to breed because the genetics are unknown, plus there is also the lethal factor. Lethal factor ? Do you mean the theory of breeding double cresteds together ?
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