okay so i want to know as this confusses me

 

to get pied chicks from a pair

you must have a pied pair

or

a pied hen and a split pie cock

and if this is so

then can the split pie gene be carryed through to male and female chicks being only rececive

or not if ...... the pair in first place was a normale split opaline and a opaline hen

then their chicks were

one opaline cock

one normale cock

then the normal who was split opaline was placed with a rec pie hen

out come being 4 pied chicks

one opaline

so i have been lead to belive this cock also must be split for pied

is this true

and if so

his opaline son from first pairing

was placed with a pied hen

the out come being all pied chicks

five in all

is he split pied also or not

whats the story with this

and please dont refure me to the tabbles as i cant grasp it

please put it in worded convisation it seems to sink in that way

cheers

okay so i want to know as this confusses me

 

to get pied chicks from a pair

you must have a pied pair

or

a pied hen and a split pie cock

and if this is so

then can the split pie gene be carryed through to male and female chicks being only rececive

or not if ...... the pair in first place was a normale split opaline and a opaline hen

then their chicks were

one opaline cock

one normale cock

then the normal who was split opaline was placed with a rec pie hen

out come being 4 pied chicks

one opaline

so i have been lead to belive this cock also must be split for pied

is this true

and if so

his opaline son from first pairing

was placed with a pied hen

the out come being all pied chicks

five in all

is he split pied also or not

whats the story with this

and please dont refure me to the tabbles as i cant grasp it

please put it in worded convisation it seems to sink in that way

cheers

 

Hi GB,

 

I assume when you're talking about Pieds you mean Recessive aka Danish Pieds?

 

They carry a recessive gene, like blue eyes in humans. If one of the parents was a Rec Pied or both parents were carrying the gene (ie. split) then you would get Rec Pied chicks. It is a recessive gene not a sex link gene (like inos) so it doesn't matter whether it's the cock or hen, it has to be both.

Hi GB,

 

I assume when you're talking about Pieds you mean Recessive aka Danish Pieds?

 

They carry a recessive gene, like blue eyes in humans. If one of the parents was a Rec Pied or both parents were carrying the gene (ie. split) then you would get Rec Pied chicks. It is a recessive gene not a sex link gene (like inos) so it doesn't matter whether it's the cock or hen, it has to be both.

 

well yes and no

this is what has confussed me

i know already what you just wrote but...

what im trying to work out is this

 

i have two cock birds

cock 1 ; is a sky blue normal split opaline

 

cock 2 ; is a mauve grey opaline cock (the sky blues son )

 

the mother of this opaline mauve was identical to him also mauve opaline

 

k , i put the father with a sky blue cinnimon rec pie hen

out come was 4 pieds and one opaline

no cinomon .... so i can rule out /cin

so to get that rezult the skyblue normal /opaline would also need to be split rec pie

thats what im told

is this true ..

 

also if this is true

is it posable that the opaline cock (his son from a diffrent partner not the pie )

is also split rec pie ?

 

cause when he was placed with a cinnimon opaline colbolt clear flight pie

the out come was five pied chicks

all clear flight exept one who also seems to be lighter markings exept still not cin he is rec pie all chick have iris rings but he still is showing all signs of being a rec pie

 

all i want to know is

could he of recived a rececive pie gene off his dad who is only / himself if the mother was but only opaline

 

if not how did i end up will all pies one also being rec pie if he is but opaline

 

 

some one please explain i need to work this out

Edited January 20, 200916 yr by KAZ

The only way we can describe it is if you tell us which pied types you are talking about as the different pied types work in different ways.

The only way we can describe it is if you tell us which pied types you are talking about as the different pied types work in different ways.

 

i did clearly state what pies i used in detail

 

just to refresh

a cin opaline colbolt clear flight pie

and a

opaline cin sky rececive pie

 

its the cock birds im questioning though please read what i last posted carefully it has every detail and what i exactly want to know

 

i apreshiate you took the time to look wolf as im sure you will know exactly the awnser

as would many others bar me lol

i have two cock birds

cock 1 ; is a sky blue normal split opaline

cock 2 ; is a mauve grey opaline cock (the sky blues son )

 

the mother of this opaline mauve was identical to him also mauve opaline

 

k , i put the father with a sky blue cinnimon rec pie hen

out come was 4 pieds and one opaline

no cinomon .... so i can rule out /cin

so to get that rezult the skyblue normal /opaline would also need to be split rec pie

thats what im told

is this true .. YES both parent have to carry the gene so the hen would be split

 

also if this is true

is it posable that the opaline cock (his son from a diffrent partner not the pie )

is also split rec pie ? It is possible but not 100% it depends what the hen was

 

cause when he was placed with a cinnimon opaline colbolt clear flight pie

the out come was five pied chicks - that is because clearflight is dominant and not recessive and would explain why you would have these chicks. all clear flight exept one who also seems to be lighter markings exept still not cin he is rec pie all chick have iris rings but he still is showing all signs of being a rec pie If all chicks have an iris ring even if they look recessive pied they are dominant pieds, recessive pieds do not display their iris rings at all.

all i want to know is

could he of recived a rececive pie gene off his dad who is only / himself if the mother was but only opaline If is a recessive pied yes the mother would have to be split to recessive pied (but not displaying it) to display recessive pied cock or hen have to carry to recessive pied genes they don't work like sex-link genes

 

So the question is if the hen is an opaline and the dad is a recessive pied can they produce recessive pied chicks and the answer is YES - this would mean that the hen is split for recessive pied.

 

Let me know if that answers your questions. .

i have two cock birds

cock 1 ; is a sky blue normal split opaline

cock 2 ; is a mauve grey opaline cock (the sky blues son )

 

the mother of this opaline mauve was identical to him also mauve opaline

 

k , i put the father with a sky blue cinnimon rec pie hen

out come was 4 pieds and one opaline

no cinomon .... so i can rule out /cin

so to get that rezult the skyblue normal /opaline would also need to be split rec pie

thats what im told

is this true .. YES both parent have to carry the gene so the hen would be split

 

also if this is true

is it posable that the opaline cock (his son from a diffrent partner not the pie )

is also split rec pie ? It is possible but not 100% it depends what the hen was

 

cause when he was placed with a cinnimon opaline colbolt clear flight pie

the out come was five pied chicks - that is because clearflight is dominant and not recessive and would explain why you would have these chicks. all clear flight exept one who also seems to be lighter markings exept still not cin he is rec pie all chick have iris rings but he still is showing all signs of being a rec pie If all chicks have an iris ring even if they look recessive pied they are dominant pieds, recessive pieds do not display their iris rings at all.

all i want to know is

could he of recived a rececive pie gene off his dad who is only / himself if the mother was but only opaline If is a recessive pied yes the mother would have to be split to recessive pied (but not displaying it) to display recessive pied cock or hen have to carry to recessive pied genes they don't work like sex-link genes

 

So the question is if the hen is an opaline and the dad is a recessive pied can they produce recessive pied chicks and the answer is YES - this would mean that the hen is split for recessive pied.

 

Let me know if that answers your questions. .

 

 

yes and no i think i have to re write in simpler turms my question

as i seem to be getting all things confussed

sorry this is my trouble with my memorie and putting things into proper context

so i will try again

 

the dad is skyblue norm /opaline /rec pie

the mother is opaline

the son is opaline

 

now

the son was placed with a clear flight pie not a dom pie

all chicks but one have iris rings

the one who does not looks to be rececive

the others clearly are clear flighted pies

 

is the mum split rececive also

or is the father split rececive

or both

 

the sky blue normal /opaline was with a rececive pie hen

their chicks were rececive pie and one opaline

so she was opaline rec pie

i know all this

its the son i want to know about

i think from what you are saying elly that

as he is with a clear flight

i will get all pies regardless if he is split pie or not

the mum is probbly split rec as well as clearflight

and the cock just normal

i guess to see if he is rececive i will need to test breed him with a rececive pie or a split rec pie to get a final awnser

thanks elly you helped some what

if you can grasp what i just wrote id love it if not i just give up on this qwery