hey can i breed a greywing with a lacewing

he was kissing and feeding her and she like him so what do you think :hug:

 

thank you for posting :thanks:

 

 

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Edited January 17, 200916 yr by Neat

they can breed.... whether they are successful will be determined by a couple of things,

 

1. Are they old enough to breed?

2. What is success in terms of breeding?

3. Have you got a good set up for breeding?

4. Are they in condition?

5. What babies are you expecting to get?

6. Are they green or blue series birds?

7. Do you know what their parents were?

 

If you can answer those questions I'll be able to give you a score out of 10 (10 being the best).

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by JimmyBanks

sure you can. You can breed any colour to any other colour.

 

What you get out of that, well, that is another question, however it is not a question you asked.

they can breed.... whether they are successful will be determined by a couple of things,

 

1. Are they old enough to breed?

2. What is success in terms of breeding?

3. Have you got a good set up for breeding?

4. Are they in condition?

5. What babies are you expecting to get?

6. Are they green or blue series birds?

7. Do you know what their parents were?

 

If you can answer those questions I'll be able to give you a score out of 10 (10 being the best).

 

1. yes they can breed the hen is green ring 2007 and the cock is green ring 2007

2. i am breeding for me and for showing

3.yes i have got 4 new breeding cages and they are going in them

 

4. yes they are in breeding condition yes the male chatter almost constantly

and the hen has a brown cere

 

5.grey-wing spit lace-wing green

6.green

7.no

Edited January 17, 200916 yr by Neat
fixed up photos and post for easier reading

I would say about a 7 then Please don't ask how I came up with 7, it just sounded about right...

 

you won't get any visual lacewings... If you have a cinnamon opaline then I'd probably pair it to that over the grey wing... either that or a normal. Lacewing is a pretty interesting gene in that its a bit of a mix between cinnamon and ino...

 

But to answer your question can you breed them? As Obama would say, yes you can.

I would say about a 7 then Please don't ask how I came up with 7, it just sounded about right...

 

you won't get any visual lacewings... If you have a cinnamon opaline then I'd probably pair it to that over the grey wing... either that or a normal. Lacewing is a pretty interesting gene in that its a bit of a mix between cinnamon and ino...

 

But to answer your question can you breed them? As Obama would say, yes you can.

 

hey i do have a good green cinnamon but he is a baby sill but i am look for more greywing and if i want to i can breed tham back to the lacewing but i thank the lacewing will help with the size

I'm just not sure if I would mix greywing with cinnamon... I'm not sure which is dominant or even if it comes into play seeings as it is a lacewing... Maybe someone else will be able to help you out with expectations... if that's what you wanted to find out...

I'm just not sure if I would mix greywing with cinnamon... I'm not sure which is dominant or even if it comes into play seeings as it is a lacewing... Maybe someone else will be able to help you out with expectations... if that's what you wanted to find out...

 

 

no the cinnamon male with the lacewing hen but he is a baby sill

Firstly your Greywing is not a Greywing it is a Dilute Light Green. Paired to a Lacewing, and if neither is split for blue, you will produce 100% Greens.

 

Generally if you are breeding for showing purposes then do not mix Cinnamon with Greywing. But since this bird is a Dilute is won't matter as Black-eyed Yellows and White are a combo of Dilute and Cinnamon.

 

There is nothing interesting about Lacewing at all. It is simply a Cinnamon-Ino, the result of a crossover of the Cinnamon and Ino genes. When paired to another birds it behaves as any other sex-linked variety. Unless recombination occurs which is rare.

Firstly your Greywing is not a Greywing it is a Dilute Light Green. Paired to a Lacewing, and if neither is split for blue, you will produce 100% Greens.

 

Generally if you are breeding for showing purposes then do not mix Cinnamon with Greywing. But since this bird is a Dilute is won't matter as Black-eyed Yellows and White are a combo of Dilute and Cinnamon.

 

There is nothing interesting about Lacewing at all. It is simply a Cinnamon-Ino, the result of a crossover of the Cinnamon and Ino genes. When paired to another birds it behaves as any other sex-linked variety. Unless recombination occurs which is rare.

 

 

 

okay will i breed black-eyed yellows or what will i breed thank you

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by KAZ

Unless both birds are lacewing, or both birds are greywing, or both birds are dilute, then you will not get these characteristics to appear.

 

What other breeding options do you have available? Show breeders say you should not mix greywing with anything cinnamon as it muddy's up the gene pool. No other options?

 

If you did breed these two, you will simply get normals, but I think you should consider other options. You say you have 50+ birds. Must be other options

Lacewing is a pretty interesting gene in that its a bit of a mix between cinnamon and ino...

 

 

There is nothing interesting about Lacewing at all. It is simply a Cinnamon-Ino, the result of a crossover of the Cinnamon and Ino genes.

 

Am I wrong or is that basically the same thing? crossover/mix between... I'm sorry if what I find interesting doesn't interest you. Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean it isn't interesting to others..

 

Has there ever been an ino bird that has shown greywing?

Edited January 15, 200916 yr by JimmyBanks

The thing with Lace wing is that ino and cinnamon resides on the same chromosome. They are linked genes.

Pairing an ino with a cinnamon is unlikely to give you lace wings, if the bird is not already one or carrying both cinnamon and ino together on the same gene. There is a chance for crossover, but like RIP said, this is not a common occurrence.

The same is true for any genes that appear on the same chromosome. They are linked. Thus because they are linked, they are very hard to produce and separate.

 

I have a hen who is both cinnamon and opaline, which could only be the result of crossover as her father is a normal, split for cinnamon and opaline. However I know that he is not carrying cinnamon and opaline on the same chromosome (he has cinnamon on one X and opaline on the other), because he also has 2 other daughters (to the same mother), one is only a cinnamon and the other is only an opaline.

I have only just realised now, how even more special my little girl is, that she is a result of crossover.

So now whenever she has babies she will always pass on the cinnamon-opaline chromosome.

 

Crossover is when a chromosome cuts off part of itself and swaps it with its homologous partner (I think this is right. *trying to remember biology*), to further increase diversification in the offspring.

Edited January 16, 200916 yr by Sailorwolf

I don't understand... how do you know that the opaline and cinnamon are on the same chromosome? If it wasn't would they all be cinnamon-opaline?

Lacewing is a pretty interesting gene in that its a bit of a mix between cinnamon and ino...

 

 

There is nothing interesting about Lacewing at all. It is simply a Cinnamon-Ino, the result of a crossover of the Cinnamon and Ino genes.

 

Am I wrong or is that basically the same thing? crossover/mix between... I'm sorry if what I find interesting doesn't interest you. Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean it isn't interesting to others..

 

Has there ever been an ino bird that has shown greywing?

 

You misinterpreted what I wrote. Thats makes you the second person today.

 

I am not saying I am not interested. I interperated the word 'interesting' in the context of what you had written to mean that is was something strange. I was mearly saying that it is not strange but is a explainable event.

 

Greywing can be crossed with any other variety. The problems come in when you wish to show the resulting combination. Greywing with Fallow changes the wing colour to grey-brown, in Cinnamons again grey-brown, in Lacewings because of the Cinnamon factor you get a grey-brown but it may be harder to see as would Dilute.

I don't understand... how do you know that the opaline and cinnamon are on the same chromosome? If it wasn't would they all be cinnamon-opaline?

 

I know this because Bacardi, the hen in question, has only 1 Xchromosome, the other is a Y, this is what makes her a female bird. She got the Y from her mother and the X from her father.

So on her one X chromosome she has both cinnamon and opaline, because the Y chromosome is too short and does not contain all the genes that the X chromosome contains and thus many genes on the X chromosome go unchallenged and present as dominant.

Her father is Izzy, a normal blue. He is carrying opaline and cinnamon, but only one copy of each gene, because he is a normal. It could be possible for him to have both cinnamon and opaline on only one of his X chromosomes, but that would mean that the other two hens he produced would be ether normal or cinnamon opaline. They were not. One hen was cinnamon and the other was opaline, indicating that these two hens received different X chromosomes from their father. One carried only the opaline and one carried only the cinnamon.

Bacardi was a product of crossover whereby Izzy's two X chromosomes must have switched parts of themselves and one of those parts contained either the opaline or cinnamon gene. Effectively taking the gene from one X chromosme and putting it on the other, leaving one chromosome with 2 genes and one with none. This would occur in meiosis, thereby not affecting Izzy's genome at all, but occurring in the duplicate sets of chromosomes created when gametes are created, in Izzy's case; his sperm.

 

If I were to breed Bacardi, one of her granddaughters will be cinnamon opaline, because the genes are unlikely to become unlinked.

hey here are the photos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nice bird what does this bird have to do with the clearwing and lacewing pairing?