This pair who are finishing their second round in a cabinet

 

 

Have produced this cute little hen who is split recessive....

I really dont think mum is split blue but i can see violet in this girl.

Oh and her clear flights - What type would that make her as she doesn't have any other markings of a dominant pied

 

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk262/l...es/P1000850.jpg

 

 

 

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk262/l...es/P1000853.jpg

 

This pair have also produced a normal green chick too

 

 

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by **Liv**
images to links because they are oversized - oops haha

I'm going to say she must be split blue... You can have many clutches before that elusive blue one appears, it's just luck of the draw.

 

Shes a clearflight pied, a variation of dom pied just missing the banding I would say. The normal isn't that surprising as the dom pied parents must ba a single factor dom pied and on this occasion have passed on the normal gene from both of them rather than the dom pied gene from atleast one parent.

I would say the bird is a Dark Green Dom Pied. I cannot see the photo of the mum very well and I am guessing that it is Recessive Pied (does it have an eye ring) as you seem certain the chick is split for same. In that case I never been a fan of pairing Aust Dom Pied with Recessive Pieds as quite often it can lead to indentification problems later.

 

Now assuming I am right with the recessive your baby can be either:-

 

43% chance of being a Dark Green / YF2 Type II Recessive Pied

 

or

 

7% chance of being a Dark Green / Blue Type II Recessive Pied

 

I see no real evidence of Violet. Be careful when looking at babies in immature feather.

 

 

The term Clearflight should not be used in conjunction with any type of Dominant Pied other than Continental i.e. Continental Clearflight which is a distinct Pied Type.

 

Pied Type birds are quite variable in regards the quantity of pied feathering produced. Although years ago when I was breeding mice I selected on individuals with the most variegated markings resulting in many gerations later of mice that had 50/50 pied pattern compared to the original parents which had approx 10% pied pattern. No normal coloured mice were introduced as they would have "diluted" so to speak the gene pool for pied inheritence.

 

I have had Dom Pieds in single factor that were just like the baby pictured. I also bred Dutch Pieds, Dark Eyed Clears and Danish (Recessive) Pieds. All these types are quite variable and I found the Dutch Pied to vary the most. I had an Olive Dutch Pied with only a patch on the back of the neck yet he produced some of the best variegated youngsters.

Clearflight Pieds (don't need to have the banding) you are thinking of a Dominant Pied

 

This chick is a Clearflight Pied and it looks like an Olive to me personally. Both parents looks like they carry a dark factor which would explain the olive. I do see the blue on the back of the tail which can make one believe YF2 (and maybe it is?).

 

Olive Clearfight Pied split to Recessive is my answer.

For the chick to be a clearflight pied the mutation must have come from one of the parents. The father looks like a dominant pied and the mother like a recessive so unless there has been some sculduggery, or one of the parents is a combination, the chick must be a dominant pied split to recessive that just lacks the clear band

Thanks so much for your help everyone

 

Here are some more pics of the parents i took today.

The mother does have iris rings, i honestly thought she was recessive till now when i saw the rings

She cant be double factor otherwise all babies would be dominant pied - she is also opaline

 

Dad

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk262/l...es/P1000865.jpg

 

Mum

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk262/l...es/P1000866.jpg

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by **Liv**
images to links because they are over sized haha

I would say it is a YF2 Dome pied / recess

 

Only cause the bleeding into the feathers and I can see the violet ( blue) around the babies rump as well as the chest ..... Also noting the recessive trait small dot on the back of it's head

Your "normal" baby isn't normal. Look at its alula (the budgie equivalent of a thumb, it has 3 feathers on it) it is clear on that picture, normally it is dark like the rest of the feathers. It is a very poorly marked pied.

I think the clearflight pied came in from either of the parents as it can be combined with dominant pied.

The mother is definitely not a recessive. I would go for a DF dom pied.

 

PS. Can I have the dad? He gorgeous.

 

I also believe that the first baby is a yellowface rather than a yellow series bird and is violet.

Mum looks to be a light green, so mauve is off the menu.

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

Thanks Neat and SW :hap:

 

Your hen is not a recessive pied and as you've said she can't be a double factor dominant pied. I believe that she is a combination of clearflight and dominant pied. If a clearflight and dominant pied combination was mated to a dominant pied you would expect the chicks to include both types of pied, DF dominants, normals and some combinations. So your chick would be a clearflight pied

Your hen is not a recessive pied and as you've said she can't be a double factor dominant pied. I believe that she is a combination of clearflight and dominant pied. If a clearflight and dominant pied combination was mated to a dominant pied you would expect the chicks to include both types of pied, DF dominants, normals and some combinations. So your chick would be a clearflight pied

 

I agree with this statement, I said the chick was a Clearflight but didn't work out why until you said what the hen could be.