Yes you did the right thing... We couldn't have you winning all the shows after she's spent years toiling in order to get great birds :hap: Its a bit off topic but are you going to get your own rings or are you going to just use hers?

 

They are alllll mine - they will be our code, but i am the council member

 

 

:) That's gold!

Yes you did the right thing... We couldn't have you winning all the shows after she's spent years toiling in order to get great birds Its a bit off topic but are you going to get your own rings or are you going to just use hers?

 

I agree JB - she has had budgies for around 16 or so years - my knowledge on them is insignificant in comparison.

 

We are both members of the same budgie society (joint membership was cheaper) and couldn't see the point in both joining the council just to get rings when we are going to share our own named rings (and birds) to both use. (In truth all I mostly do is lug the sacks of seed around and hunt out gum tree branches and wild grasses.) I'm more keen on the genetic side of breeding (boring stuff to some)

JimmyBanks - yes, I as being sarcastic. No, bags'ing does not work. It does not count. It is not a real or even a reliable method.

 

Yes it does!! I bags'ed 2 of Liv's birds successfully so far.

 

Liv, they look great, I can't wait to see some of the offspring.

 

Off topic... If your WA birds are all healthy, can i shortcut Ozzy's and Ernie's quarentine?

all the WA birds may be fine, all of Liv's birds may be fine, regardless of this, NO, you should not shorten quarantine. Some birds can have hidden diseases that the move will bring out. Stress related. It is always best to be thorough. I know we all think and want to shorten quarantine, but go the distance.

I agree with dave - always best to do a full quarantine

I agree JB - she has had budgies for around 16 or so years - my knowledge on them is insignificant in comparison.

 

We are both members of the same budgie society (joint membership was cheaper) and couldn't see the point in both joining the council just to get rings when we are going to share our own named rings (and birds) to both use. (In truth all I mostly do is lug the sacks of seed around and hunt out gum tree branches and wild grasses.) I'm more keen on the genetic side of breeding (boring stuff to some)

 

Its not boring to me, just does my head in... Maybe once I actually start breeding by myself and I start seeing the different pairings and outcomes I'll get a better grasp of it..

A Sky blue hen who is unrung and very average but could help bring some blue to the genetics

 

That blue hen looks a bit like Meeple (but bigger). To me she looks like the most normal one out of all of them... *not a show budgie fan*

That blue hen looks a bit like Meeple (but bigger). To me she looks like the most normal one out of all of them... *not a show budgie fan*

 

hehe, your right. she is my hen with the least show quality

all the WA birds may be fine, all of Liv's birds may be fine, regardless of this, NO, you should not shorten quarantine. Some birds can have hidden diseases that the move will bring out. Stress related. It is always best to be thorough. I know we all think and want to shorten quarantine, but go the distance.

 

 

I dont totally agree with this. I have bought 100+ birds in the last 3 months from all different breeders. All open class breeders except 1 or 2. I didnt quarantine any of these birds and have not lost one bird. All of the birds are all down on eggs, breeding and are all very active and healthy. if you buy from breeders who look after there birds you shouldnt have too much problem.

My birds are kept in a very clean environment to ensure they are kept healthy as possible.

all the WA birds may be fine, all of Liv's birds may be fine, regardless of this, NO, you should not shorten quarantine. Some birds can have hidden diseases that the move will bring out. Stress related. It is always best to be thorough. I know we all think and want to shorten quarantine, but go the distance.

 

 

I dont totally agree with this. I have bought 100+ birds in the last 3 months from all different breeders. All open class breeders except 1 or 2. I didnt quarantine any of these birds and have not lost one bird. All of the birds are all down on eggs, breeding and are all very active and healthy. if you buy from breeders who look after there birds you shouldnt have too much problem.

My birds are kept in a very clean environment to ensure they are kept healthy as possible.

 

Yeah that's what I was hoping as Ozzie and Ernie are siblings from 2 consecutive clutches. Liv said if it hadn't been for the WA birds she would have advised me not to worry about the quarentine, but just in case the WA birds brought something in and it transfered to Ozzy, I'll go the distance as per their advice. It would be just my luck if I shortcut the quarentine something would go wrong.

 

We actualy intend to keep them seperate anyway to help with the taming, but will let them play together on occasions.

things like psittacosis can be transmitted though a single loose feather. (which is why i reccomended quarantine for hills)

As far as i am concerned quarantine is vitally important for the over all health of the flock. One carrier might knock out your best birds and create a huge setback - and in the long term, it's not very long time. Even the best breeders can get it wrong. i have heard stories about breeders that say their birds are "clean" and "safe" to put straight down breeding... then to have the birds make the partners terminally ill and die

 

Its just not worth the risk. Not to mention that psittacosis is contagious to humans....

I don't totally agree with this. I have bought 100+ birds in the last 3 months from all different breeders. All open class breeders except 1 or 2. I didn't quarantine any of these birds and have not lost one bird. All of the birds are all down on eggs, breeding and are all very active and healthy. if you buy from breeders who look after there birds you shouldn't have too much problem.

My birds are kept in a very clean environment to ensure they are kept healthy as possible.

 

I don't totally agree with THIS! I believe this mind set to be very irresponsible, You are putting your whole flocks health at risk. It doesn't take much for an outbreak of any kind and you have lost the lot. Although I don't speak from experience (touch wood) Many members on here have had such issues. Keeping a clean environment may help in keeping illness' away but does not mean quarantine and alike are not needed. You may have not lost any birds yet... but it doesn't mean you wont. And do you sell your birds? What happens if the birds you sell are carrying something and then the buyers flock are infected. How would you feel about that?

 

This is purely my opinion... each to their own I suppose, But I like many others on her DO QUARINTINE!

I don't totally agree with this. I have bought 100+ birds in the last 3 months from all different breeders. All open class breeders except 1 or 2. I didn't quarantine any of these birds and have not lost one bird. All of the birds are all down on eggs, breeding and are all very active and healthy. if you buy from breeders who look after there birds you shouldn't have too much problem.

My birds are kept in a very clean environment to ensure they are kept healthy as possible.

 

I don't totally agree with THIS! I believe this mind set to be very irresponsible, You are putting your whole flocks health at risk. It doesn't take much for an outbreak of any kind and you have lost the lot. Although I don't speak from experience (touch wood) Many members on here have had such issues. Keeping a clean environment may help in keeping illness' away but does not mean quarantine and alike are not needed. You may have not lost any birds yet... but it doesn't mean you wont. And do you sell your birds? What happens if the birds you sell are carrying something and then the buyers flock are infected. How would you feel about that?

 

This is purely my opinion... each to their own I suppose, But I like many others on her DO QUARINTINE!

 

To promote not quarantining just because SO FAR you Budgiebuyer seem to have been safe is reckless. All the best breeders I know over here quarantine their birds and for a lot longer than 30 days too. I have been told in the past to quarantine by pairing them in a breeder cage. The only time I followed this advice the hen it turned out was a carrier of psittacosis....she wasnt showing symptoms, but within the space of time the cock she was put with incubated the disease...he then went down like a ton of bricks. From healthy to runny eyes and vent and dead within 24 hrs of showing symptoms.

To recommend that you do not do quarantine because you have yet to expereince a loss due to hidden illnesses is actually very very irresponsible. :sadsorry:

 

 

PS I have had Dave's new birds at my house prior to being shipped off to Sydney with him tomorrow. Had we not seperated a hen for quarantine who was showing symptoms the same day she was brought back home here, we would have a whole lot more birds sick and or dead. The hen is segregated and will be returned tomorrow. Had we ignored her symptoms and packed her in the shipping box with the others tomorrow, Dave most likely would have lost all the birds as they incubated the disease huddled together in their shipping box for the trip home. We assessed her a few days ago, quickly sperated her and have avoided illnesses by acting both quickly andf responsibly in this regard.

Edited January 19, 200916 yr by KAZ

I don't totally agree with this. I have bought 100+ birds in the last 3 months from all different breeders. All open class breeders except 1 or 2. I didn't quarantine any of these birds and have not lost one bird. All of the birds are all down on eggs, breeding and are all very active and healthy. if you buy from breeders who look after there birds you shouldn't have too much problem.

My birds are kept in a very clean environment to ensure they are kept healthy as possible.

 

I don't totally agree with THIS! I believe this mind set to be very irresponsible, You are putting your whole flocks health at risk. It doesn't take much for an outbreak of any kind and you have lost the lot. Although I don't speak from experience (touch wood) Many members on here have had such issues. Keeping a clean environment may help in keeping illness' away but does not mean quarantine and alike are not needed. You may have not lost any birds yet... but it doesn't mean you wont. And do you sell your birds? What happens if the birds you sell are carrying something and then the buyers flock are infected. How would you feel about that?

 

This is purely my opinion... each to their own I suppose, But I like many others on her DO QUARINTINE!

 

To promote not quarantining just because SO FAR you Budgiebuyer seem to have been safe is reckless. All the best breeders I know over here quarantine their birds and for a lot longer than 30 days too. I have been told in the past to quarantine by pairing them in a breeder cage. The only time I followed this advice the hen it turned out was a carrier of psittacosis....she wasnt showing symptoms, but within the space of time the cock she was put with incubated the disease...he then went down like a ton of bricks. From healthy to runny eyes and vent and dead within 24 hrs of showing symptoms.

To recommend that you do not do quarantine because you have yet to expereince a loss due to hidden illnesses is actually very very irresponsible. :sad:

 

 

PS I have had Dave's new birds at my house prior to being shipped off to Sydney with him tomorrow. Had we not seperated a hen for quarantine who was showing symptoms the same day she was brought back home here, we would have a whole lot more birds sick and or dead. The hen is segregated and will be returned tomorrow. Had we ignored her symptoms and packed her in the shipping box with the others tomorrow, Dave most likely would have lost all the birds as they incubated the disease huddled together in their shipping box for the trip home. We assessed her a few days ago, quickly sperated her and have avoided illnesses by acting both quickly andf responsibly in this regard.

 

 

UPDATE............the bird we quarantined from the others is dead. Very glad we seperated it from the others. Even more glad it didnt go back to Sydney in a box with all Daves other birds. Somerthing to be said for being careful.

As Kaz has said, my grey hen is dead. Sad that she is dead, even worse since it is a hen, but imagine how I would have felt if she had of been exposed to my Cec Gearing or Henry George/Fran McLaughlan. I would have been devastated.

 

BudgieBuyer09 - I have bought a bird of a breeder you bought bird off. It went down ill after only a day, and it was quarantined seperately. It lasted 3 weeks with meds and hospitalisation before it keeled over. Whatever he died of may well be hidden in birds you bought from him.

 

I understand you thinking, your desire to have them down breeding, the fact that you have bought them from show breeders, and all the points you have made. Caution should be employed here. I would hate to see you lose any birds after the effort you have put in so far.