ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I now realise that the two budgies of mine that died, both were visibly violet. One was quite clear, the other was a violet cobalt. They were my only violets, and the only two birds to die, within a week of each other (from different breeders). I just bought a new white on the weekend that appears to be molting to male (because I have 2 white females), but after a closer examination that night I found a violet patch on his rump, covered by his wings when not in flight! He seems to have a balance problem too :/ *ponders*... Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 17, 2008 My aviary is nearly all violets and i have not experienced any weakness with them Might just be a fluke. Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 Probably... I really loved Crumbles and I wanted to breed her. Just out of interest sake, what kind of mutation is a pure white (non-albino) bird, and a pure white with a violet rump patch? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Would have more to do with where you are buying them, how they have been bred and kept, their health and quarantine, prior to your place and since and how much stress they have been under moving from previous home to yours and the settling in period. Nothing to do with colour. Probably... I really loved Crumbles and I wanted to breed her.Just out of interest sake, what kind of mutation is a pure white (non-albino) bird, and a pure white with a violet rump patch?Could be anything but photos help Link to comment
Neat 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 3,275 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 321 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,171 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,845 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 25, 2010 Birthday: 22/05/1980 Share Posted November 17, 2008 I would have to agree with the others. I have violets too They aren't a weak variety just a smaller one Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 I didn't honestly think there would be, but the thought occurred to me when I was reading about mutations and realised that Saphyre was a violet cobalt. I'd had both birds for 6 months and they came from different places. And of course this new bird has violet on him too. I'll try and get a photo of him soon. Link to comment
melbournebudgies 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,233 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 329 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,498 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,540 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 2, 2010 Birthday: 17/12/1982 Share Posted November 17, 2008 What colour are his eyes? Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted November 17, 2008 What colour are his eyes? with out a photo i will take a guess at a doubble factor dom pie does he have spots or just the violet cheek patches if no spots i say dom and if he is under 5 months he may darken to show more violet near face either that or a recesive pie clear wing really do need picture cause thats just guess from my own stock Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2008 (edited) He's got black eyes, only about 4 months old, no black dots, cheek patches are silver.I have one albino and one white which I am guessing is a white DF spangle, but I am a total n00b to genetics, so my guess goes with a grain of salt and black pepper. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/k...11172008119.jpg http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/k...11172008120.jpg http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/k...11172008117.jpg http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm164/k...11172008114.jpg Edited November 17, 2008 by ShadowGhost Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 17, 2008 your links do not work Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted November 17, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.23 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Interesting topic, Merlin is a violet and he is just fine, Pretty was a recessive pied and passed within 2 years, I believe breeding has a lot to do with weak birds but not the particular color but they have shown that certain mutations are smaller then others. Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Sorry, I'll try again. I had lots of wierd problems with the forum last night. Edited November 18, 2008 by **Liv** Changed image links to images :) Link to comment
Sunnie 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 3,666 Group: B.B.C Club Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 80 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,470 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,830 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/09/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 10, 2013 Birthday: 20/01/1966 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I am really unsure and just posting this to be corrected if need be I will say double factor cobalt spangle with diffusion on the rump, but this is really a stab in the dark Link to comment
Denise 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 3,657 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 896 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,985 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 9, 2010 Birthday: 01/10/1964 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) I have no idea on the mutation but 'he' looks more like a 'she' to me and not very old? Edited November 18, 2008 by Denise Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Not very old is correct, but how do you figure it being female? Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Iris rings ? Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Males can have iris rings too... or am I mistaken? Edited November 18, 2008 by ShadowGhost Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Males can have iris rings too... or am I mistaken? That has nothing to do with it re sex of bird. I am asking does this bird have iris rings so I can work out what it is Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 No it doesn't. I think its only 4 months old. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 18, 2008 No it doesn't. I think its only 4 months old. I am thinking it is a recessive pied with little to no markings. I guess with time we will see if iris rings develop or not PS I have a recessive chick in a nest thats feathering up all yellow with only a hint of colour on its rump...like yours. Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 Interesting. Does recessive mean that it carries the pied gene but it's being masked by something else? Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) Yep It means that it can carry a recessive gene without showing it. in your case though it is showing the gene Edited November 18, 2008 by **Liv** Link to comment
ShadowGhost 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 4,283 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 920 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 21/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) okay I've been reading up on mutations and genetics but I'm far from understanding any of it Wouldn't a recessive pied that showing it .... not be recessive, but just pied? Edited November 18, 2008 by ShadowGhost Link to comment
**Liv** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 3,771 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 147 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,621 Content Per Day: 0.33 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 39,450 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/10/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 8, 2014 Birthday: 09/04/1911 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) It could be a double factor dominant pied if it gets iris rings Have a lookie at this ---> Pieds Edited November 18, 2008 by **Liv** Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 18, 2008 okay I've been reading up on mutations and genetics but I'm far from understanding any of it Wouldn't a recessive pied that showing it .... not be recessive, but just pied? You are getting confused over the word recessive where recessive pieds are concerned. There are recessive genes but there are also recessive pieds. Recessive pieds are also known as danish pieds if that helps. Link to comment
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