o woops... sorry i thought english and "americans" were the same, guess not...

There a NO American or English budgies. They are all Australian. In NZ the large ones are usually referred to as exhibition or show budgies and the smaller ones as pet type. I don't think it would be appreciated by Americans if people started to call the golden eagle Australian

I agree they are al Australian native. , i have always called them show types or pet types to reduce confusion

There a NO American or English budgies. They are all Australian. In NZ the large ones are usually referred to as exhibition or show budgies and the smaller ones as pet type. I don't think it would be appreciated by Americans if people started to call the golden eagle Australian

Thankyou Neville :bliss: I totally agree with you

I totally agree also, although I have always let the 'english budgie' term slide as I don't think they're very Aussie anyway, I can just see them fluffing around in some toffy English manor drinking tea :bump:

Even the terminology "english" to describe the exhibition or show type budgie is NOT used in show breeding circles in Australia. Its not even used by english people to describe their show type budgies. Most often they are called show budgies or exhibition budgerigars.

I think the terms english and american came from other places. most likely america.

 

We had a big debate about this once and the only people who got upset over it was the american members. :bump:

 

Anyway, you can breed the two types together with no trouble at all. I once had a tiny pet type budgie hen with a larger show type budgie boy and they made babies no trouble at all. If you want to do that to bring your pet types size up, why not

While I don't like to call the pet ones American, because that is kinda claiming the breed (which isn't really a breed, as it hasn't been bred specifically and is almost claiming the species) many people call them that and you have to accept it to some degree.

I do however agree with calling the show budgie varieties english budgies. This is referring to their breed and not their species country of origin. As the breed was bred in England. So an English budgie is a budgie of English BREED.

It is very similar to the fact that dogs were bred from wolves in Europe, but no one gets upset when people call American cockerspaniels American. They are called that because the breed was bred there. English cocker spaniels were bred in England whereas both the American and English Cocker Spaniel's ancestor originated in Europe. You don't see the French, Germans and Spanish getting upset about that now do you?

In the budgie world there is 1 breed: The English. The pet types are just mongrels really and aren't really a breed as they weren't bred specifically.

 

People must learn to distinguish breed from species

Species is a population of animals that can interbreed with each other and produce fertile offspring. eg Dog (Canis familiarus)

A breed is a line of animals within a species, artificially selected to have certain traits. eg Alsation and Setter. These are all breeds of the same species.

 

While I can see where the Australians are coming from. I would be slightly annoyed if people started asking about Australian Kakarikis (also because some people annoyingly can't distinguish Australia and New Zealand). It is unlikely to happen though as the Kakariki is not a hugely popular pet. Also when animals become as popular as dogs and budgies, people generally know the origin of the species.

Just like New Zealand has the New Zealand White rabbit, rabbits don't come from here, but the breed was bred here.

Edited November 17, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

Sailor Wolf did you know that the first Rugby team to travel from Australia to England did an "Aboriginal War Dance" known as the Haka??? When I read that it made me laugh..

Hahaa. Where did you read that? lol

Haha, either they got the country wrong (most likely) or they got the name of the war dance wrong.

Just goes to show that to the rest of the world New Zealand is just Australia's eastern most state

Haha. Since Lord of the Rings and Flight of the Conchords, I think you'll find that theory has flipped sides

 

Most of the world has no problem, just America for some reason.

I am American I didn't get upset anyways I believe that Merlin in my signature is an Show Variety Blend :rofl:.

I was trying to find it on the net, I know I saw it on a History of Rugby show on TV. I laughed when I saw it... At one point the Australian Captain refused to do it because he felt it belittled them and was only for show.

I am American I didn't get upset anyways I believe that Merlin in my signature is an Show Variety Blend .

 

I meant that Americans always seem to be the ones to not realise we are a separate country to Australia.

I was trying to find it on the net, I know I saw it on a History of Rugby show on TV. I laughed when I saw it... At one point the Australian Captain refused to do it because he felt it belittled them and was only for show.

 

Hi Folk, As a breeder of exhibition budgerigars I think of English birds as the birds bred in England for many generations in isolation and which are the result of selective breeding. The same diversification happens naturally with bird and animal populations as the result of geographic and other change. The expression "English" is used pretty loosely - birds were imported back to Australia for only a limited time and people refer to their "English" birds when sometimes they have little knowledge of the actual bloodlines. They refer to German birds similarly. The owners of birds which can be referred to as "English" would have pedigrees showing their origins. Most exhibition type budgerigars in Australia (I believe) would have a significant number of imported birds in their pedigrees but there is a tendency for many breeders to refer to any big showy bird as English. I think it's better to drop the expression completely - it's outlived its usefulness as a descriptor. As others have said, there should be no problem breeding the two types together. Jaz

Edited November 20, 200816 yr by KAZ
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I am American I didn't get upset anyways I believe that Merlin in my signature is an Show Variety Blend .

 

I meant that Americans always seem to be the ones to not realise we are a separate country to Australia.

Interesting

I was trying to find it on the net, I know I saw it on a History of Rugby show on TV. I laughed when I saw it... At one point the Australian Captain refused to do it because he felt it belittled them and was only for show.

 

Hi Folk, As a breeder of exhibition budgerigars I think of English birds as the birds bred in England for many generations in isolation and which are the result of selective breeding. The same diversification happens naturally with bird and animal populations as the result of geographic and other change. The expression "English" is used pretty loosely - birds were imported back to Australia for only a limited time and people refer to their "English" birds when sometimes they have little knowledge of the actual bloodlines. They refer to German birds similarly. The owners of birds which can be referred to as "English" would have pedigrees showing their origins. Most exhibition type budgerigars in Australia (I believe) would have a significant number of imported birds in their pedigrees but there is a tendency for many breeders to refer to any big showy bird as English. I think it's better to drop the expression completely - it's outlived its usefulness as a descriptor. As others have said, there should be no problem breeding the two types together. Jaz

Did I muck up the quotation marks? Sorry. It should be that the first use of the expression has no quotes, and every time it is used thereafter it is in quotation marks. I really had to dig deep to remember that!

Did I muck up the quotation marks? Sorry. It should be that the first use of the expression has no quotes, and every time it is used thereafter it is in quotation marks. I really had to dig deep to remember that!

No you didnt muck up those quotation marks....just the ones from the previous poster.

Edited November 20, 200816 yr by KAZ

Did I muck up the quotation marks? Sorry. It should be that the first use of the expression has no quotes, and every time it is used thereafter it is in quotation marks. I really had to dig deep to remember that!

No you didnt muck up those quotation marks....just the ones from the previous poster.

 

Thanks, Kaz

I am American I didn't get upset anyways I believe that Merlin in my signature is an Show Variety Blend .

 

I meant that Americans always seem to be the ones to not realise we are a separate country to Australia.

Interesting

 

Haha Elly. Don't feel offended by it. Is a harmless joke. *gives a hug*