Can anyone tell me what colour and mutation this budgie is? She's only 28 days old, but you can see her colour. I'm guessing she's a grey Dominant Pied. (if the pictures aren't good enough quality I'll try to get some better ones)

Perhaps its just my imagination, but her body colour seems to have a violet tinge to it..you can't really see it in the photos, but her front is a light grey-sort of violet colour, while between her wings is a dark grey, more of a Mauve. (you also can't see in the photos but she does have the white patch at the back of her head):

I agree with your guess

She looks grey but I can see the voilet tinge you're talking about all I know is Dominant pied

Edited November 10, 200816 yr by KAZ

Do you have a picture of the back of her please? I am not convinced dominant to be honest.

Also what were her parents?

Here is a picture of her back:

 

 

And her parents:

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee330/Jen1404/Storm.jpg

 

Cinder (the father) is the one in the front:

 

I know virtually nothing the grey factor, but someone told me Cinder might have a grey factor, when I asked about his mutation quite a while ago..

Edited November 10, 200816 yr by KAZ

Do you have a picture of the back of her please? I am not convinced dominant to be honest.Also what were her parents?

I agree with Elly .........need a wing shot of the mother. Front shot shows nothing.

 

Wing shots of the baby show coloured flights so I say recessive.

Edited November 10, 200816 yr by KAZ

I agree, looks like a dominant pied to me too.

Do you have a picture of the back of her please? I am not convinced dominant to be honest.Also what were her parents?

I agree with Elly .........need a wing shot of the mother. Front shot shows nothing.

 

Wing shots of the baby show coloured flights so I say recessive.

 

 

The mother is a Violet Dominant Pied Spangle, according to what I was told here. You mean the baby's flight feathers look coloured? If that's what you mean then no, her flights aren't coloured, they are white.

 

I've heard a budgie can be both Dominant Pied and Recessive..the father is split Recessive, does that mean the baby could be both?

If the dad is split recessive then the babies will be only slpit for recessive too. The recessive will only come though if mum is recessive or split for it too.

If the dad is split recessive then the babies will be only slpit for recessive too. The recessive will only come though if mum is recessive or split for it too.

 

 

Okay..someone mentioned (I don't now where, could have been here) that Storm, the mum, was a Rec. Pied, not a Dominant Pied..I'm confused now.

okay, if this baby is grey and neither of the parents are grey you can't have a grey bird (unless it is the rare grey recessive gene which I believe popped up here once now but it is very rare). The grey factor on a blue bird makes the bird Grey the Grey Factor on a Green bird makes the bird Grey Green. So if this breeding was closed and no other male was involved then I am going to say this baby is mauve (2 dark factors) not grey.

 

Cinder is a normal cobalt

The mother do you have a shot of the back of her wings? If she has iris rings you are correct on the mutation if she does not have iris rings she could be a recessive pied. Let's clear up her mutation first.

 

The baby reminds me of a chick Kaz once breed that looked like that but was a recessive this is why I said I am not 100% convinced on the dominant. Even if the mum is a dominant pied your babies have a 50% change of being dominant pied BUT if both parents are carrying the recessive pied gene you can have recessive pied babies.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Elly

We need a photo of mums back then . if she is recessive then baby will be recessive too.

okay, if this baby is grey and neither of the parents are grey you can't have a grey bird (unless it is the rare grey recessive gene which I believe popped up here once now but it is very rare). The grey factor on a blue bird makes the bird Grey the Grey Factor on a Green bird makes the bird Grey Green. So if this breeding was closed and no other male was involved then I am going to say this baby is mauve (2 dark factors) not grey.

 

Cinder is a normal cobalt

The mother do you have a shot of the back of her wings? If she has iris rings you are correct on the mutation if she does not have iris rings she could be a recessive pied. Let's clear up her mutation first.

 

The baby reminds me of a chick Kaz once breed that looked like that but was a recessive this is why I said I am not 100% convinced on the dominant. Even if the mum is a dominant pied your babies have a 50% change of being dominant pied BUT if both parents are carrying the recessive pied gene you can have recessive pied babies.

 

 

I think the reason someone said Cinder had a grey factor was that he looks Mauve, but he also has a lot of grey feathers on him too. (rather hard to see in pictures.) So much so, that when I look closely, almost 50% of his front is patches of grey, the rest is a Mauve colour.

It was closed breeding,the mum had been in an aviary with another male, but that was a few months before I put her with Cinder. I also think that the baby is grey, because Mauve is a more dark blue colour, and she is most definetly a grey colour..Her colour is also lighter than in the pictures.

 

Here's some pics of Storm's back..not very good detail but you might be able to see her wings:

 

 

She does have a white patch on the back of her head and on her neck, though it is hard to see as she is Spangle so her wings have a lot of white as well... She is almost 2 years old, and does have iris rings.

I have no idea whether Storm is split for Recessive, I only know for certain with Cinder..so there is a possibility of the baby being both Dominant and Recessive Pied, right?

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

she would have to be mauve, grey appears grey on a blue bird, what color are the cheek patches have them come in yet? Grey birds have grey cheek patches.

 

The reason I ask to see the back of Storm is to see if she is a Clearflight Pied which is dominant since she doesn't have the band of white she is not a Dominant Pied.

 

The baby really looks more recessive then dominant in my opinion at this point.

she would have to be mauve, grey appears grey on a blue bird, what color are the cheek patches have them come in yet? Grey birds have grey cheek patches.

 

The reason I ask to see the back of Storm is to see if she is a Clearflight Pied which is dominant since she doesn't have the band of white she is not a Dominant Pied.

 

The baby really looks more recessive then dominant in my opinion at this point.

 

 

The cheek patches have come in, enough for me to see definetly what colour they are..and they are grey, no doubt about it..(well, a little..they could be grey, or maybe might be dark blue..I'm not so sure now)

 

Here's some pics of Storm's wings..though you can't really see if she's Clearflight very well, seeing as she's Spangle there's a lot of white there..and they were taken from far away. Though as far as I can see, she is not Clearflight, she has markings all the way down her wings, it's only her chicks that have white flight feathers and the rest is normal markings..:

 

 

And Nev (I think it was nev)said that one of her chicks from a while ago is Dominant Pied, and that bird has all the signs of Dominant Pied, but has white around his neck at the front like his mother..and also like his mother has no band of white at all. And that chick was from her and a normal, that wasn't split for Recessive.

He is the second bird, in the picture of Cinder and 2 other birds..the one closest to Cinder.

 

Edit: I have just been looking this up on google, and I found this: "A budgie that is clearflight pied will have all clear flight feathers. Sometimes also the major coverts (row of feathers above the flight feathers) and/or the tail feathers will also be clear. Usually a clearflight pied will have some small patches of clear body feathers up around the neck. Clearflight pieds also have a patch of clear feathers on the back of the head."

about Clearflight Pieds..which soo sounds like Storm, and her son I was mentioning..except for one thing, on her she has no clear flight feathers,(though she does have all white tail feathers) on her son he has almost all clear flight feathers, some slight markings on them, same as his tail, though it does have some colour as well..and on the baby, completely clear flight feathers and tail as far as I can see..they still have yet to reach their full length..And [all of those birds have virtually no colour variation or white on their front except for some white patchs around the neck..though the baby has a lot of wihte on her chest.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

I think that the chick is a mauve recessive pied in spite of the white flights. Recessive pieds have random markings and in this case the marks have missed the flight feathers. The white area on the front is very high which is an indication of a recessive pied. The clear patch on the back of the head is common to all varieties of pied. If it was a combination of both pied types you'd expect a lot less markings

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Neville

I think that the chick is a mauve recessive pied in spite of the white flights. Recessive pieds have random markings and in this case the marks have missed the flight feathers. The white area on the front is very high which is an indication of a recessive pied. The clear patch on the back of the head is common to all varieties of pied

 

 

Okay, so that means that Banshee (Storm's previous chick from a while ago) is actually Dominant Pied with no white band, as well as Storm? And if the baby is Rec. Pied, then that means that Storm has to be split for Rec. Pied doesn't it?

I am agreeing here with Neville, on this one, that is the way I am seeing it too. I also think that the chick could be carrying the violet gene which is making the mauve a more intense coloration too. Spangles also are known to have the pied spot but not be a pied.

 

I think that the chick is a mauve recessive pied in spite of the white flights. Recessive pieds have random markings and in this case the marks have missed the flight feathers. The white area on the front is very high which is an indication of a recessive pied. The clear patch on the back of the head is common to all varieties of pied

Okay, so that means that Banshee (Storm's previous chick from a while ago) is actually Dominant Pied with no white band, as well as Storm? And if the baby is Rec. Pied, then that means that Storm has to be split for Rec. Pied doesn't it?

 

Dominant Pieds always have a white band

Clearflight Pieds do not have the white band but the clear flights (it is a dominant gene)

Both birds are split to recessive to throw a recessive baby.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Elly

Okay, so that means that Banshee (Storm's previous chick from a while ago) is actually Dominant Pied with no white band, as well as Storm? And if the baby is Rec. Pied, then that means that Storm has to be split for Rec. Pied doesn't it?

Usually if a pied bird has clear flights and no clear band on the front it is a clearflight pied. The clearflight pied gene is inherited in the same way as the dominant pied. The picture is not clear enough to tell Storm's mutation. Dominant pieds can be split for recessive piedhi Elly. Looks like we posted at the same time

I am agreeing here with Neville, on this one, that is the way I am seeing it too. I also think that the chick could be carrying the violet gene which is making the mauve a more intense coloration too.

 

Spangles also are known to have the pied spot but not be a pied.

 

okay..With Storm being split for Recessive pied, that would explain why her baby would be Recessive Pied (both parents being split for Rec. Pied) and Storm still have the iris rings..But what about Banshee? He was from a normal budgie and Storm..The normal did not look split for Recessive Pied at all (though I do know it doesn't have to be visible all the time) so what is Banshee? If he's a Clearflight Pied (as he definetly has no white band) doesn't that mean that Storm is both Pieds, seeing as Banshee's father couldn't have been split for Clearflight Pied?

 

And if Banshee's actually split for Rec. Pied instead, that would mean that his father also was split? For Storm to be clearflight Pied as well, she would have to have the clear flight feathers wouldn't she? Or doesn't a clearflight Pied have to have that?? Because for Storm to be split for rec pied, she wouldn't have the white around the neck would she, unless she were also split for clearflight pied?

 

Also, what I have seen of Spangles with the pied marking, it kind of looks different to an actual Pied..or that just might be my imagination. Though Banshee's brother was a Spangle and not any type of Pied, and his spot was not like Storm's..But I didn't think that even Spangles had the head spot, and the white around the neck as well, though I'm probably wrong here? :hap:

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Jen144

Definitly a mauve recessive pied. As both the parent s are blue series and not grey and neither of the parents are dominant or clearflight pied.

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

I am agreeing here with Neville, on this one, that is the way I am seeing it too. I also think that the chick could be carrying the violet gene which is making the mauve a more intense coloration too.

 

Spangles also are known to have the pied spot but not be a pied.

 

okay..With Storm being split for Recessive pied, that would explain why her baby would be Recessive Pied (both parents being split for Rec. Pied) and Storm still have the iris rings..But what about Banshee? I don't know what he looks like do you have a picture you can post here to make it simple Make sure it is front and back. He was from a normal budgie and Storm..

The normal did not look split for Recessive Pied at all (though I do know it doesn't have to be visible all the time) so what is Banshee? If he's a Clearflight Pied (as he definetly has no white band) doesn't that mean that Storm is both Pieds, seeing as Banshee's father couldn't have been split for Clearflight Pied? Would like to see a picture of Banshee

 

And if Banshee's actually split for Rec. Pied instead, that would mean that his father also was split? If a bird is split for recessive pied he could have gotten it from either parents it is not sex-linked.

 

Also, what I have seen of Spangles with the pied marking, it kind of looks different to an actual Pied..or that just might be my imagination. Though Banshee's brother was a Spangle and not any type of Pied, and his spot was not like Storm's..But I didn't think that even Spangles had the head spot, and the white around the neck as well, though I'm probably wrong here? :hap: Do you have a closer picture of the back of both the birds in question please. Storm looks like an opaline too.

 

Hi Neville

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Elly

"I don't know what he looks like do you have a picture you can post here to make it simple Make sure it is front and back.

If a bird is split for recessive pied he could have gotten it from either parents it is not sex-linked.

:hap: Do you have a closer picture of the back of both the birds in question please. Storm looks like an opaline too."

 

 

 

okay. Here are some pics of Banshee:

 

And his brother (I don't have him anymore, and these pics don't really show his back, sorry..hope it helps though):

 

So you're saying that to be Recessive Pied, both parents have to be split? (or one rec. pied and one normal)?

 

I thought Storm could be Opaline..nobody has mentioned anything about that, and there is colour through her wings..but not as much as other most Spangle Opalines I've seen.

Another question.. Opaline is sex-linked isn't it? So how would that go to her chicks, would the father also have to be split or something for it to actually come out in their chicks?

"I don't know what he looks like do you have a picture you can post here to make it simple Make sure it is front and back.

If a bird is split for recessive pied he could have gotten it from either parents it is not sex-linked.

Do you have a closer picture of the back of both the birds in question please. Storm looks like an opaline too."

 

 

 

okay. Here are some pics of Banshee:

 

And his brother (I don't have him anymore, and these pics don't really show his back, sorry..hope it helps though):

 

So you're saying that to be Recessive Pied, both parents have to be split? (or one rec. pied and one normal)?

 

I thought Storm could be Opaline..nobody has mentioned anything about that, and there is colour through her wings..but not as much as other most Spangle Opalines I've seen.

Another question.. Opaline is sex-linked isn't it? So how would that go to her chicks, would the father also have to be split or something for it to actually come out in their chicks?

 

Both parents have to carry the recessive pied gene they can be a recessive pied or be a normal split to recessive pied

I believe Storm is an Opaline too, and when bred she gives 1 gene to the male which makes them split to opaline but not visual (they need 2 sex linked genes to be visual and hen's only need 1 to be visual with a sex-linked gene only)

Banshee has iris rings yes

"Both parents have to carry the recessive pied gene they can be a recessive pied or be a normal split to recessive pied

I believe Storm is an Opaline too, and when bred she gives 1 gene to the male which makes them split to opaline but not visual (they need 2 sex linked genes to be visual and hen's only need 1 to be visual with a sex-linked gene only)

Banshee has iris rings yes"

 

 

So her chicks, if male, would be split for Opaline, and if female would be Opaline..would her mate have to be split for Opaline before any of the chicks would get opaline?

 

Yes he does. He's just gone through his first moult (those pics were before that, so in them he didn't) and they are hard to see..but with the flash on the camera, good light or a torch..then he has iris rings. That means he has to be split for Rec. Pied or be something else entirely doesn't it, since Recessive Pieds don't have iris rings?