I am taking the lorie to the avian vet in a couple of hours for his wing and figured I'd take the opportunity to ask for some items to put in the cupboard for budgie emergencies, canker treatments, etc. So what things should I be asking for while I'm there?

Most vets I know wont sell you prescribed meds unless you have a bird sick with the exact ailment realting to the meds.....because it encourages self diagnosing and does them out of work and money.

Edited October 22, 200816 yr by KAZ

okay maybe I'll just get the bloke that does mail order to send me out some

While you are there, if you havent learnt to crop feed already...ask to be shown. Crop needle for budgies is a 3 inch straight 14 guage. Maybe take a budgie with you that can be demonstrated on :rofl:

I know this is not stuff from the vet but I figured I would add from our FAQ section the article written up what to have in a Budgie First Aide Kit. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...&artlang=en

Elly that First Aid Kit supplies is everything I went and bought ...

 

I prefer white pepper of any other Flour and etc as it stops the birds from pecking at it

 

Make up sponges $2 shops or go lo have them CHEAP as ....

 

Thanks for the post MB .... I am sure that many member will benefit from it

okay maybe I'll just get the bloke that does mail order to send me out some

 

okay, courtesy of Rob Marshall I have the following in my fridge:

 

First Aid Treatment:

ER Formula & Miniboost

I'll also be ordering F Vite

 

Water Cleansers & Disinfectants:

KD Powder

 

Lice, Mite & Worm Treatment:

S76

 

Medicines (for registered clients only):

Baytril, Carlox, Moxi T, Sulfa AVS, Turbosole

 

I also have Doxycicline

 

Information about these products can be found at:

www.birdhealth.com.au

Renee how can I become a registered client??

Renee how can I become a registered client??

 

You call direct and ask to become a registered client. 02 9871 7113 / 5156

 

In my case I was asked to give a reference so I gave the name of the President of my Budgie Club, who I knew used his products, the vet put me on hold and rang him to check I was fair dinkum.

 

For those of you who have joined clubs and receive the magazine, check in the members' directory and ring around till you find someone who uses the products and is willing to sponsor you. Or maybe it won't be so complicated ... just make the call and play it by ear.

Edited February 26, 201213 yr by **KAZ**

Does your reference have to use the products? I's be able to provide a reference but not sure anyone I know would be getting stuff shipped from him

Does your reference have to use the products? I's be able to provide a reference but not sure anyone I know would be getting stuff shipped from him

 

I believe so.

Most vets I know wont sell you prescribed meds unless you have a bird sick with the exact ailment realting to the meds.....because it encourages self diagnosing and does them out of work and money.

 

Actually they tend not to give you prescribed drugs without a prescription, because it is A) illegal for many drugs, the drug is very expensive, C) should not be used without proper direction and knowledge eg antibiotics, antiarrhythmics, vasodilators (these last two are especially dangerous if not used properly), D) many people do not diagnose their animal correctly (that is why we have vets, people who have been trained for 5 years or longer on how the body works and how drugs work and interact with the body), to do this you generally need to do tests, bloods, smears, urinalysis you name it depending on the condition, not to mention 5 years of teaching and learning, E) some drugs are abused by clients, as in, the client will use the drugs on them selves, such as morphine and ketamine <--these drugs in particular are kept under lock and key and are not to be kept in the car, because people will steal them.

 

Any drug that requires a prescription does so because it is illegal to obtain without one and if a vet were to give out drugs with out proper justification, they can be brought in front of the court and fined heftly or even lose their license. We have to justify why we prescribe certain drugs and if there is no evidence for its need, we get into trouble. Clients also need to be informed how to use the drug and by giving out random drugs the vet is putting the client at risk as well.

 

You don't see human doctors giving people random drugs when they don't need them.

Edited October 24, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

I understand that SW and I wasn't suggesting that I wanted a fully stocked drug cabinet but there are a few things which are handy to have in the cupboard for emergencies such as turbosole for canker. My closest avian vet is a long way from here and not easy to see after hours. As I am totally capable of preparing a slide and observing it to check for things like canker or mega it would be handy to have some of the basic items in the cupboard for after hours emergencies when I can't see a vet.

 

Had I had turbosole in the cupboard a few weeks ago when I had just such and emergency I might have been able to save my best spangle hen as I was able to confirm canker on a slide after she died(which happened very quickly)

Yes I know, that is why I didn't quote you. I was referring to what Kaz said.

First aid is good.

However I do not know what legal classification Turbosole falls under as that would be quite important.

To me, Canker isn't really an emergency thing as it is a parasite, I would think that once they have become ill from it, then it is getting a little bit late. Trichomonas causes ulcerative lesions in the upper gastrointestinal tract. So you probably wouldn't have been able to do much for your bird anyway.

I would look into treating the rest of your birds or get them seen too.

 

It's sort of like electricity. You may know which wires do what (earth wire etc) but could you wire a whole house, safely and legally? That is why they have registered electrictians.

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

Yes I know, that is why I didn't quote you. I was referring to what Kaz said.

 

when I said this

Most vets I know wont sell you prescribed meds unless you have a bird sick with the exact ailment relating to the meds.....because it encourages self diagnosing and does them out of work and money.

I did not mean that the vets reason was what I said....I was generalising that that would be part of the reason.

I myself do not give drugs to birds willy nilly. I keep most of what I do on the KISS method ( Keep it simple stupid Principal )

I do not dose with antibiotics as a matter of course. Same as when birds have vomiting symptoms...a lot of people assume canker or mega. Best to know for sure and that means vet diagnosis.

You may notice SW I did not advise trying to get ANY meds from the vet in my post.

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by KAZ

Yes I know, that is why I didn't quote you. I was referring to what Kaz said.

 

when I said this

Most vets I know wont sell you prescribed meds unless you have a bird sick with the exact ailment relating to the meds.....because it encourages self diagnosing and does them out of work and money.

I did not mean that the vets reason was what I said....I was generalising that that would be part of the reason.

I myself do not give drugs to birds willy nilly. I keep most of what I do on the KISS method ( Keep it simple stupid Principal )

I do not dose with antibiotics as a matter of course. Same as when birds have vomiting symptoms...a lot of people assume canker or mega. Best to know for sure and that means vet diagnosis.

You may notice SW I did not advise trying to get ANY meds from the vet in my post.

 

Precisely SW, it was me that was advocating becoming a registered client of Rob Marshall, not Kaz.

 

And you would know if you have been reading up on posts that although my medication cabinet is well stocked, I am loath to medicate without a clear indication of ill-health. If anything I have enteric disorders in one of my aviaries, which on evidence of pooey bums I treat with Sulfa AVS and Carlox as a preventitive measure. Also I am quick to take birds to the vet if I am unsure about what is wrong with them.

I didn't mean any of that. I was slightly put off by the inuendo that vets don't give out medications because all they want is to get more money. That is not the reason. The reasons were as I posted.

 

Also I haven't been on this forum for 2 weeks, so I haven't been following any topics.

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

I didn't mean any of that. I was slightly put off by the inuendo that vets don't give out medications because all they want is to get more money. That is not the reason. The reasons were as I posted.

 

Also I haven't been on this forum for 2 weeks, so I haven't been following any topics.

 

I said more than that and it was NOT about just money

 

because it encourages self diagnosing and does them out of work and money.

 

The self diagnosing was more the point trying to be made.

There are good valid points made by Kaz & SW and I agree with them all. When you look at it from a vet persecptive and then also an owners view they are all valid and important. In fact, I have really refrained from saying anything in this post because that was the first thing that popped into my head but I didn't want to start anything and look like I was accusing anyone of wrong doing.

 

I do believe we should not self diagnosis especially with our birds they are just too fragile. Any new bird owner coming here and there are a lot may feel that they can just self diagnosis or say tell me what antibiotics to take. This is why I refrain from putting medication information about treating birds for this or that in the FAQ's, I don't want this forum (Adam) to be responsible for self medicating and this post is exacting doing that (intentionally or not that is what it is doing).

 

There was actually in a recent post where a member didn't quarantine and that is what she said "just tell me what antibiotics to buy", not good for any forum that is advocating good bird knowledge.

 

I see where you are coming from MB too though. I have had left over Amoxcillin and if I feel that sore throat coming I will take it even if it wasn't prescribed for me, should I go and get a culture yes but everytime I do it never comes back with anything but a virus and the antibiotics clear it up in 2 days much better then suffering through the pain for sure but I probably should have not done it because it wasn't for me and I shouldn't self diagnosis.

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Elly
add info

I agree with not self diagnosing too.

There are a few basic illnesses that can be easily diagnosed like scaly face for example. But most other illnesses really need to be assessed by a qualified avian vet.

 

Elly, if you get a sore throat again... see if your pharmacy has a product called "Betadine Gargle" Its an anti viral and antibacterial iodine throat gargle and works a treat on sore throats

Elly you wuss Its a common cold virus, get over it. It probably gets better because your immune system is great.

Don't want to use amoxycillin as it is commonly used for bacteria that have a certain amount of resistance already. You should really throw those out.

Colds are caused by viruses. Bacteria only really sets in later and if it was a particularly nasty viral infection, in that case you tend to get things like pneumonia and things you really notice. If your snot is puss-y (that looks wrong , pus, pus, not cat) then you have a bacterial infection. If it is clear and mucoid then you probably don't.

Those amoxycillins you are taking are doing nothing for you but acting as a placebo. I wouldn't want to do it as you become predisposed to diarrhoea and fungal infections when on antibiotics.

Edited November 10, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

Your right I am a wuss after 5 days of not being able to swallow and I take them within 24hrs it helps I can't help but think that they are working, and I can't throw them out they are for my husband when he has his dental procedures .

tsk tsk. hehe :hap:

 

Hmm maybe you should get it checked out next time. If it is bacterial, the antibiotics may be lessening the numbers a bit, but not actually killing them all, so they just keep recurring. Maybe it's strep throat????

Edited November 11, 200816 yr by Sailorwolf

tsk tsk. hehe

 

Hmm maybe you should get it checked out next time. If it is bacterial, the antibiotics may be lessening the numbers a bit, but not actually killing them all, so they just keep recurring. Maybe it's strep throat????

 

I have been checked out and they always send me home and they do a strep and I can't believe it is negative. Nuts huh...now hasn't this gone OFF TOPIC :hap:

haha, just a bit.

 

Oh well (human doctors ain't as good as us vets lol (just kidding))