Now this is probably a VERY stupid question, but it eludes me as to how I got a dark grey hen from the pairing of a

Sky blue greywing hen to a violet recessive pied cock... ?

I was under the impression that grey can not be split for as it's a dominant factor and that also it can't be masked by the mutations I have who bred... So where did it come from?

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by KAZ

Perhaps its something to do with the grey wing gene????? - i don't know :budgiedance: - genetic and me DO NOT mix haha

But i will be watching this post to find out

Wings are normal :budgiedance: Although her rump is really dark grey, almost black... I think her grey gives her some super birdy bite though!

Because its not grey...its mauve. And you will get one like that from a violet pairing :budgiedance: Remember the YF mauve ( violet green ) boy I sent your way...he looked dark grey as a chick and was from violet parents. Dark factors involved, and although it looks grey to you, it is actually mauve.

Oh no it's definatly grey, I've never seen a bird more positive...

I'll get some pictures to show you :budgiedance:

Her rump is almost black same as her cheek patches

 

Also sky x cobalt can't produce mauves as there's only one dark factor... that gives me 50% sky 50% cobalt... no mauves .. ??

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by KAZ

You said sky to violet not sky to cobalt :budgiedance:

- throat spots

- Rump

- Body

 

Yeah, sky greywing hen to a violet(cobalt) recessive pied cock

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by *libby*

Sky to violet will give you a mauve Lib. Only a visual grey parent will give you a grey. So you have a mauve chick. :budgiedance:

No a sky will not give you a mauve as a sky carries no dark factors

 

I have read of a recessive type of grey but this is not very common at all

*goes to try and find it*

 

I found an article about it. here it is:Reccessive grey article

 

There used to be an English recessive grey which is apparently extinct, I'm sure of course there would be a number of birds that carried it. The new recessive is now called Australian recessive grey.

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by Sailorwolf

But violet WILL give mauve

Violet(s.f) cobalt X sky blue gives =

25% violet (s.f.) cobalts

25 % violet (s.f.) sky blue

25% cobalt

25% sky blue

 

Hang on, will get a picture of the parents :budgiedance:

The recessive violet cock came from ME and he has produced violets and mauves with a cobalt cinnamon hen.

- mum

 

- dad

I am going to say Mum isnt skyblue. As she is greywing, she may be half body colour greywing and she could in actual fact be a skyviolet greywing showing visually as a sky due to reduced body colour. As I owned the cock before and he HAS produced both violets and mauves....I would say your hen carries violet and its masked visually due to the greywing gene.

Assuming she is half strength colour...if you imagine her colour doubled in strength she would end up a violet appearance.

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by KAZ

Its a violet mauve, I have just bred a lovely clutch of violet mauves including one that is clearflight pied, looks black and white, very nice birds.

 

I think your greywing hen mother is actually a poorly coloured cobalt greywing, probably carrying violet linked to the light factor in that bird instead of the dark factor so she appears blue, not violet. The violet gene can unlink and remix in the gametes that produce the offspring.

 

Read the article on "recessive greys" and I think they were violet mauves in fact too, given that they arose from a pairing of violets.

 

When that bird grows up if you pair it to a normal sky blue (not carrying any violet), I predict all offspring will be various shades of cobalt and violet. I can not yet tell when violet mauves are single or double factor violet.

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by DrNat

??????????? :budgiedance: Maybe it's a Dusk.

They used to call them muddies as the dark factor muddies the colour.

Made up names for bitsa's

I agree with sailorwolf

Cobalt X Cobalt

25% Sky blue

50% Cobalt

25% Mauve

You need 2 dark factors to produce a mauve. otherwise there not mauve's..

 

Just thought Id add

Maybe a slate, which is supposed to be sex linked.

 

 

Its a violet mauve, I have just bred a lovely clutch of violet mauves including one that is clearflight pied, looks black and white, very nice birds.I think your greywing hen mother is actually a poorly coloured cobalt greywing, probably carrying violet linked to the light factor in that bird instead of the dark factor so she appears blue, not violet. The violet gene can unlink and remix in the gametes that produce the offspring.

 

 

I think your stretching Doc!

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by throwback

The hen was bred from light green greywing cock and a sky blue split grey wing hen

She's a definate sky greywing, no violet in her...

 

Just read the recessive article... very interesting, perhaps that is it ??

I don't know, I'm confused, but the mother is definatly not violet or cobalt...

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by *libby*

Look at the chick's cheek patches they are grey not blue as in a mauve.

Mauve is produced by two darkfactors hence two violets can produce a mauve, because in order for violet to be visual it requires a dark factor (except in double violet factor skyblues) Thus dark-factor-wise a violet is usually a cobalt or a mauve. Skyblue visual violets are no so common. Inorder to produce a mauve both parents need to carry a dark factor.

The chick is grey.

 

Of course the cock would have produced violets and mauves with another cobalt bird. He is a violet so he is carrying 1 dark factor and at least 1 violet factor. pairing him with a cobalt hen will produce, violets, cobalts and mauves, it should also produce skyblues.

Edited June 24, 200817 yr by Sailorwolf

LIBBY STRUCK GOLD AGAIN !!!!

 

How many flukes can one girl have

 

Mauve Violet, Dusk, Grey, What ever mutation it is, it is STUNNING

The cheek patches certainly look Grey & in what you can see of the tail doesn't show any Blue...interesting Libby.

How long was the hen out of the aviary before the breeding cabinet and was there any grey boys in the aviary ?

The ways to prove if it is a recessive grey:

Pair it to a normal blue: If babies come out blue then it is recessive

Repair the parents making sure the hen is not bred with any other birds. Infact don't let her near any of your other birds from now on and let her raise a second clutch with the same male, just to make sure that she was not impregnated by another male.

 

Do you have any other grey birds though?

 

I think it is highly possible that it is a recessive grey.

How long was the hen out of the aviary before the breeding cabinet and was there any grey boys in the aviary ?

 

this was my thought when I was reading this post

The pair have been in the cabinet for a very long time. This is their second clutch. Their first clutch produced 1 cobalt, 1 violet, 1 sky cinnamon and a normal sky. This second clutch has produced one sky violet cinnamon, this grey and two who have not properly feathered up yet but look like normal blues, either skys or cobalts. There is no chance of another cock being the father.

 

I do have other grey birds in the aviary, but like I said this bird has been in the cabinet for a very long time, roughly 3+ months or more.

Sounds like maybe you do have that recessive grey thing goin' on then