okay... Now before anyone answers, I'd like to make this clear that this topic is not being created to create havoc amongst members or to start debates. I simply would like to know what your stance on the subject is, and why...

If the topic starts up too many issues I will remove it. Please try to give only your opinion and why and not comment on other peoples. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'd like to hear them

There is NO right or wrong answer to this.

 

 

okay, well firstly my stance on the subject is Anti-euthanasia....

 

No matter the cost I will try to save the life of any animal I can without resorting to euthanasia... If no treatment is helping or can help or nothing can be done then I will try to let them live out their lives as healthy and long as I possibly can.

 

Why?? Well my honest why Is because since when I was 13 and had to have my dog put down I realised i could never opt to make that choice. My dobermann x rottweiler developed bloat, when he was 11 yrs old. The vet told us surgery was an option, but he only had a 5 % chance of survival. As a decision my Dad chose to put him down... i stayed for the sedative before the "official" needle but couldn't stay any longer. As i left the room he tried to get up and come with me... seeing the look in his eyes has since put me off any euthanasia.

I've spent $1000 on a $15 rabbit because it had a face abcess (1 yr old) - a day before it's third surgery it passed away... although in that time I know she was VERY happy... Before she got sick she was a total COW. She used to grunt and bite and attack us... When she got sick she had to be hand fed, she soon became our very close friend, jumping up on the couch to be with us and eating only baby food from a syringe which she would tug on our clothes when hungry, and follow us around the back yard.

The last animal who set my decision in stone for my anti-euthanasia stance was a little baby budgie who was about 2-3 weeks old. This little bird suffered a crushed skull When it happened I thought for sure he was a goner... his body and legs spasmed stiff and he had no awareness what so ever of the outside world. He had blood coming out of his cere, ear and beak with a bulging eye from one side of his head... and lets not forget his skull was crushed into the shape of a triangle. When the accident happened I was utterly shocked to see he was still breathing... just lying limp in our hands with blood coming out of everywhere. We rang an avian vet right away and said what had happened and he said to wait it out as he'd probably pass away soon. 5 hours went by and the little bird was still alive... We rang the vet back and he was just as shocked... It was then we realised his food in his crop had gone down and if he didn't get any soon he'd die of starvation... We fed him, he took it all! Even did the head gobbling thing that made him bleed more unfortunatly, but he did well... Over the weekend we kept up his feeding and he lived in the incubator. By monday his legs had un-spasmed, his bleeding had stopped and he started to hold his head up. We rang the vet back again and he was even more suprised, said what we were doing was totally not in the rule book as he should be dead. For the next few weeks we kept feeding him and he slowly improved, his eye de-swelled, he sat upright and everything seemed "almost" normal aside his head shape and the fact he had bad balance and couldn't stand... about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks after the accident the little guy stood up Unfortunatly after his life had got back on track he got a crop infection and passed away :@ If i'd had known how to crop flush back then i could've saved him... We live and learn i suppose...

 

But either way those three things are what have lead to my anti-euthanasia stance and why i personally can't make the decision to end an animals life.

 

(I have a video of the budgies first stand after the accident on my phone, I'll try to upload it sometime for you all)

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by KAZ

my views are the same as yours *libby* i'm against euthanasia, i will do everything possible for my pet. and if treatment doesn't help them, i will keep my pet as comfortable as i can and let them live as long as they can i like you have had pets who have passed away and i made them as comfortable as i could and they passed away quickly

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by KAZ

I'm not necessarily against it, i'm just anti it... for me and me only, I'm quite happily content if someone else chooses to put their pet down and won't judge them for it

I'm not necessarily against it, i'm just anti it... for me and me only, I'm quite happily content if someone else chooses to put their pet down and won't judge them for it

 

 

sorry thats what i mean its difficult to watch them suffer and nothing will work i've never had to put my pets down, i don't think i would be able to handle that

A juicy one Libby

 

I am not against Euthanasia, but it has its place. Over the years we have had a few pets put down. More recently my Central Netted Dragon had to be euthenased. He was about three years old (nearing the end of his life span). He had been going down hill and not eating. He was unable to move and was having spasms. He was being seen by a vet and it was decided that he had no quality of life and that was best for him. I also had to recently end the life of my first hen, who had two beautiful clutches. She had gone down hill, was not eating or moving around like she used to. My avian vet ran some tests and she had ovarian cancer. An operation could have been done, but the chance of survival was very minimal and she was already struggling. Again, a hard decision but I believe best for her.

 

When I buy animals to raise and look after, I do it with the intention of keeping them until the end. Providing them with all the love and care they need, and the medical attention needed. Not just having them until I get bored and then moving them on. If they seem unwell, they deserve treatment or a check up, just as we do. I don't like to see my animals in pain, or not being able to enjoy life as they used to. All that being said, I would not jump to life ending procedures if I knew I could do more. I'd hate to end their life if they were managing along on their own, as long as i was confident they weren't suffering... but I guess you can't always be 100% sure about that.

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by KAZ

I don't have a strong opinion either way with this topic. I think it's all about the individual situation and the condition of the animal. I hate to see and animal suffer, and i also hate to see them die, so either way is hard

 

With me, it is all about quality of life.

 

Some times i think it is necessary to euthanasia to be kind - my Lab (Walter) was 17 years old when he had a bad stroke. he rapidly got to the stage where he couldn't walk at all, he was incontinent (wees and poops) and all his organs were failing. He could have lived that way for weeks, perhaps even months He was would get covered in his own waste and stated to get bed sores. We made the tough choice to have him put to sleep rather than than letting him suffer - it was really hard to take him to the vet, but i don't regret it. the poor boy had no quality of life in the state he was in, and he had a brilliant life up until the stroke

 

On the other hand, I would also take every measure possible to save an animals life as long as they would have quality of life when they recover

Oh boy.

I suppose I experience it a little differently from a lot of you, being almost a veterinarian. Often times it will be myself who has to put down someone else's beloved pet- I try not to think about this but it's going to be a lot.

It depends on the situation. I'm not anti-euthanasia but I believe in case-by-case decisions.

It's beautiful and wonderful with the cases that make it through a terrible nearly-no-chance-of-survival incident. But myself, personally only, I wouldn't put an animal through terrible pain and suffering on a slim chance that it will make it, live and be happy after. To me, letting that happen is a form of cruelty. (It's also a legality for me to take all measures to minimise suffering when I can (of course this is a subjective clause) and I can get in a lot of trouble for my decisions on what to do with any animal. It's also in the Veterinarian's Oath.)

 

I'm going to flat out refuse to euthanase healthy animals when I'm in practice. I'm going to at least try to rehome it, and it's probably going to get me in trouble with the boss but oh well.

 

Personally I believe in assessing quality of life.

I've seen a budgie who had squamous metaplasia all down his throat due to vitamin A deficiency. It was all lumpy and ulcerated inside his mouth. There was no way he could eat much longer. He was going to starve to death, if he didn't dislodge an ulcer and bleed to death first. I couldn't let my pet live like that.

Likewise if an animal is in its death throes, I know it is going to die, there is nothing medically I can do, I most certainly I will give the green dream to ease the process. But I don't believe in using it as an 'easy solution'. For my own pet I will sure as heck fight to keep them going - given that the quality of life is going to be acceptable. That subjective 'quality of life' I assess as both a vet and a pet owner. I don't take it lightly, it is not a tool to make my life easier... only theirs.

So not anti-euthanasia but not flat out pro, either. It's all about the situation.

 

I also believe in letting each person decide for themselves once they have assessed the whole situation, based on what is best for their pet.

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by Chrysocome

You'll make a good vet Chrysocome. When my rabbit had her face abcess for her second surgery we chose a different surgery, they gave us the option of surgery or euthanasia... we said we'd think about it and brought her home. 10 minutes after arriving home we rang them and said we'd decided on the surgery. They flat tack refused because they "didn't want to do it"... and it was too hard... I was mortified and very P*ssed off! It's nice to hear we'll have a vet who takes the owners choices into consideration

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by KAZ

May I put forward a catch 22. The Hippocratic oath is that you must prolong life and decrease suffering. But in many cases to prolong life will increase suffering.

 

Sorry but I am for euthanasia. My wife is terminally ill and this is something I will need to address in the future.

I want to grow old with her but I do not want her to suffer.

Definatly is a catch 22... Which is why it's a shame we can't ask them their personal opinion on the subject

 

If they could only tell us what they wanted done for them...

 

Euthanasia is illegal in humans is it not? Unless on life support or something? Otherwise it's considered homocide/suicide accomplace?

 

I'm sorry to hear about your wife Daz I can't ever imagine being in that predicament... you must both be very strong people.

Yes, this subject does pertain to both animal and human needs.

My wife has been on life support for 5 years now with out it she has 13 days to live. I had a friend of my fathers on the same life support, he decided it was not worth going on and turned it off. He lasted 15 days. So sad.

 

Life can continue with the proper support. But when it comes down to budgies it is a different story. Life support is not an option. I tried for a week to keep two birds alive and because of my work they slipped away. This is when Euthanasia is need for those that wont naturally make it or can't make it with the time that we can afford them.

 

It is sad. I have Euthanasia a number of birds. The first has effected me to this day. I had one that I should have Euthanasia but watched die, a slow death and that was fluffy. Never again will I let a bird like that suffer the way that bird did.

Having come from a background where I was once a vet nurse. Also, being a very practical person. I euthanase the ones that need it and try and save the ones I have hope for or the ones that are trying to stay alive despite great odds.

A very great Vet ( my mentor years ago ) once told me............"You dont give up on an animal until its given up on itself " .

So, the end result is....

In my aviary I have my cripples, my "special cases" , my "wonky budgies" and my odd bunch. :budgiedance: They will live out their lives in my aviary as do my retirement birds.

Those are the ones that fought the good fight despite afflictions and not being "quite right".

The others that gave up on life and would have gone on suffering, are euthanased. Not a position I have ever liked to take. Not a part of birdkeeping I have ever enjoyed. But to stop suffering, I will dispatch these poor souls to God if need be.

Do I agonise over it ? YES I do. And every one of them has a place in my heart and memory forever. There would not be a single soul that has passed, that I do not remember for all of its short life, for all of its funny ways. For they all take a piece of your heart with them, and they all matter.

I will never, ever allow an animal to suffer needlessly. A quick death is far greater than a slow one, in my view.

On an aside......

I watched my mother die little by little over 4 years. From the massive stroke that first took her, and every successive stroke after that reduced her day by day to little more than a severely brain injured child. She was taken by degrees...a piece of her at a time, until there was nothing left of the person she was. We all suffered through that...my Dad had it the worst.

My mother once said, before her first stroke...that she never wanted to live like that. She had seen her grandmother go the same way. My mother made us promise that if anything like that ever happened to her, we should "pull the plug" and let her die.

The night she was flown by Royal Flying Doctor Plane to Perth after her massive stroke, the doctors said she needed URGENT surgery to relieve the bleeding on her brain. A decision had to be made to save her or let her go. We made the hard decision to save her....against all her wishes stated previously...for this time she could not choose for herself. A week later we had to make that same choice again....this time it was my choice alone as I was the only family that could be reached in an emergency. Again I chose to save her life.

Many. many months after, when she had recovered enough and she was able to speak............we were sitting outside in the garden of the rehabilitation hospital she was in....( she in a wheelchair as she was paralysed down one side of her body ) ..............she had only just learnt to talk again as she had a tracheotomy in all the time before......she was missing half her skull, due to brain surgeries to relieve pressure, and the bone of her skull was in a hospital freezer somewhere.....

 

My mother looked me in the eye and said.............

"You had the chance to pull the plug, didnt you ? "

 

I said "Yes, Mum, I did" ...............I was feeling guilty about it all this time, as she had made us promise once we would not save her if this happened.

 

She looked at me again....and said..... "I am glad you didnt pull the plug. I am glad you saved me"

 

A few months later the strokes began again, and she began slipping away. As time went on she was little more than a petulent child...tantrum throwing, brain injured, forcefed, in nappies, and she had no real concept of who we, her family, were anymore.

This went on for a couple of years.

My cousin asked me one time how my mother was. I told him how things were and how hard it was to see her go so slowly and so painfully and how she was a shell of her former being. I said, " As sad as it is, I wish for one final stroke to take her away so she doesnt have to be like this anymore"

The very next morning I got a phonecall. The stroke I had wished for her to end her suffering, had just happened and she was gone.

I know now, that had we all known what the stroke and the four subsequent years would be like for my mother and for our family.....we would have declined the "life saving" surgery the first time. We would have let her go. The suffering was more than she or we could bear. We should have been left with good memories and not the ones we remember of the four years of pain and suffering.

 

These are the thoughts I hold onto when I must make a decision about euthanasia. I weigh up the suffering, the possible future suffering and also the budgies fight and will to live, or NOT. Then I do what has to be done...whether it be to send the bird to God, or help it get through and out the other side all in one piece. My husband knows how it upsets me to euthanase a bird, no matter what is age, value or "importance" in life great scheme of things. I come in from the aviary....my husband sees it in my eyes. He rushes to my side and gives me the biggest hug for the longest time. He knows I care, and he knows I have taken the birds pain as my own.

 

 

These are my thoughts and how I approach euthanasia.

Edited June 7, 200816 yr by KAZ

It is a very hard decision and topic.

My heart goes out to you Daz and I send my best wishes and positive thoughts to you and your wife.

Oh my Kaz what a heart wrenching story.

I believe that euthanasia is the way to go when a situation calls for it. To me if an animal was faced with a long painful death and every day was *** for them, then I would euthanise them. Sometimes keeping an animal alive when they are in so much pain and they are not enjoying life is really only benefiting you.

Many of you know I had to put Saffy my budgie down recently. She was old and had developed some sort of mass in her abdomen that was restricting her breathing and compressing on her organs. She did not play anymore and spent most of her time lying on the cage floor and only got up to eat. She had previously been to the vets before with a leg problem and egg binding and nothing was able to be found as the cause for her leg problem. She had xrays, bloods and surgeries done, as much as my small student loan could pay for. Then half a year later she developed the lump which quickly grew. Looking back on it now, her leg problem was probably a result of a kidney tumour which are inoperable in birds. We don't know what it was that caused the lump. Her prognosis looked very bleak. It could have been a liver tumour, ovarian or kidney. 2 of those are inoperable and the third (ovarian) is rare. I had the choice of getting more xrays done or an ultrasound and then if would definitely end in surgery to remove what it was that was causing the mass. I didn't want to put her through the stress of another surgery at her age, when what could happen is they open her up and then have to close her back up again because they can't do anything. This in itself is a very painful process and hard enough on a healthy budgie, but for a sickly 6 year old hen who is already in pain this would just be too much and I didn't want to put her through it, not when the outlook was so bleak and even if she did recover it could reoccur. I wanted her to die a painless death. At her age she is also a poor candidate for anaesthesia and could die on the table just from that. And yes money was an issue, I only have so much before I can't afford to feed myself.

I opted to have her euthanised. To me, keeping her alive would be selfish and the likelihood of her pulling through xrays, ultrasounds, blood and surgery was so minimal that I would basically be donating money to the vet clinic as her outcome was likely to be only one thing. I felt horrible choosing to euthanise her. I mean what if it had turned out to be a completely operable ovarian benign tumour? That made me upset. You can go so far with trying to rescue an animal but in the end you have to ask the question, "Are you keeping them alive for them or are you keeping them alive for yourself?" I weighed it up, she was old, she was sick, she had a history of problems and she had no quality of life. It was hard enough to make the decision, I asked the vet what he thought and he said that if it was his bird he would put her down. And he is a vet that I respect and trust.

So in the end I chose to euthanise her and i am glad I did, I couldn't watch her slowly die as immense pain ended her life.

 

Some people say that animals are lucky, they have the option of euthanasia, but we don't.

 

Daz and Kaz I am very sorry to hear about both of your situations and I wish the best for all.

 

It is hard when you don't know the future. Could you save them or will it make it worse?

I'm not against euthanasia, l had to put down my very first cat(17 years old) who l love so dearly, 5 years ago because her kidneys where shutting down on her. The vet said they could try surgery and a round of drugs, l asked the vet if he was in my shoes would he put his cat through all this and if so how long would it give her. he told me that honestly he would choose to put her down because there was no guarantee that she would survive surgery and even if she had surgery she did not have long to live. so l choose to euthanize her. l did not want her to suffer.

I also had to put down my sweet little dog "muffin " of 7 years (she was 14 years old and l rescued her when she was 7 years old) due to health issues and the vet said her organs where shutting down on her, so l made the decision to put her down.

When my father had a massive heart attack he went into a coma and was put on life support. The doctors told us we had to make a decision of either keeping him on life support or take him off. They told us that he was basically brain dead and if by some miracle he woke up from the coma he would probably be there but not be there ( basically he would never be the same and he would be in a comatose state for the rest of his life) or he would be a vegetable.

We made the awfully hard decision to take him off life support, he continued to breath for an hour and he then slipped away from us. l sometimes feel guilty because just a few minutes before he passed away, l had left his room and l was in the waiting room. l said a pray and then l told the Lord that he could take my dad home. When l walked back into his room and sat beside his bed with my mom, sister, he took his last breath

l have aslo seen a few loved family members and friends suffer with terminal illness. it is so hard to see a love one suffer so much pain and deteriorate. The worst thing about it, is l couldn't do anything to stop there pain.

l understand that to some people they think it is not right to euthanize animals or humans but l have seen first hand how devastating things can get and see them suffer so much.

l know in my heart l did the right thing in those situation.

 

Daz l know to well what you are going through, you and your wife are in my prayers and thoughts.

 

Kaz l'm speechless for what you have been through, my heart goes out to you.

 

Sailorwolf l know what it is like when you are dealing with the choice of euthanizing a beloved pet, it is such a hard decision.

Edited June 8, 200816 yr by birdluv
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I have had to put down my own beloved pet Nougat (a russian blue cat) of 19 years last year after a series of strokes, she wasn't quite right after the first couple of strokes but in those instances she recovered enough that she was able to lead a relatively normal life and from what we could tell she was happy. She had her final stroke one evening I suspect, when I discovered that she wasn't properly able to walk again (the same symptoms as she had after the previous ones). Normally she had to sleep in the laundry as she was a little unreliable with her bladder after the strokes but that night I had a feeling she wasn't going to be around much longer and I tucked her next to me in the bed on a towel and held her all night while I slept as I used to in her younger years, the next morning she was barely conscious, cold and breathing only shallowly. After a teary call to my mum we made the decision to speed things up for her. She may have held on for days and slowly starved to death but that would have just been not right. Im just so glad I had that last night with her, I feel she new that it was okay for her to go.

 

Sorry got to go get a tissue now

Life is precious right down to the very last breath. It takes so much to create it and so little to end it. There have been several times in my life if not for luck or intervention I would not have survived. I have had quite a bit of suffering of all sorts of varieties since, but for everything I have learned, I'm glad for it.

 

In particular I think back to a horse riding accident when I was about 9 years old, the horse got spooked and bolted, and ducked it's head and ran under a low branch of a tree, I ducked underneath the branch at the last minute and it scraped down the back of my head and my spine a bit like you would use a pair of scissors for curling ribbon.

 

My whole body went limp and lost feeling for a few moments and I slid off the horse and hit the ground and lay there for a minute or so. I could not move or breathe or feel or speak. I could only think and I remember the fear and hopelessness of the situation and thinking that I wasn't ready to die, but nor did I want to continue living and not be able to move, and I remember everyone standing around looking on unable to do anything. I willed myself to move and shook my head and something popped back into place in the back of my neck and I started to breathe again, and the feeling returned to my body, followed by the searing pain from the scraping of the branch down my back. I was never more grateful for the feeling of pain after experiencing that total numbness. Then I remember thinking that the pain coursing through my body like fire was so bad that I wanted to die again. Thankfully, the pain soon subsided. If it had continued I think I would not have wanted to go on living. I'm not really sure how I survived that accident with only a scrape because we measured the distance from the ground to the low branch and it was only 10cms above the shoulder of the horse. Not nearly high enough to accommodate me as a rider on the back of the horse. But I am glad I did and that it did not cause permanent damage.

 

As a child I watched my grandmother get sick from cancer and go through all the treatments. In those days patients just did what their doctors told them so it wasn't really a choice. And I thought the treatment and the sufferring that she went through was worse than the disease, although there were lots of reasons why it happened that way.

 

I grew up with the consequences of my mother being ill, and along with siblings, we are still dealing with this situation as her life is prolonged with renal dialysis with little quality left and a lot of suffering, and it is an enormous burden, but ultimately it is her choice to continue on and I would not have anyone take what little she has left from her until she is ready herself to let go. She prays for a kidney transplant, but unfortunately someone else would have to lose their life or accept serious risks to their own health for that to happen, and the chances of that being successful are diminished in her case.

 

My pet cat became gravely ill at 15 years of age and I knew that he was dying. I also knew that the last place he wanted to be was the vet, he just hated going to the vet. He knew instinctively when I was going to take him to the vet for his check-ups and vaccinations, and he hid. Despite my crafty attempts to coax him out of hiding, I could never find him and would frequently have to cancel appointments because I couldn't find him on the day. It got to the point where I had to catch him by surprise when I hadn't planned to take him to the vet and then ring up and make an appointment and keep him prisoner in the laundry for a few days until the appointment, such was his dislike.

 

For the last three weeks of his life he lost weight and strength and slowly deteriorated and I knew he was dying and he just slept in the same spot out the back next to his food and water and didn't even get up to go to the toilet. I knew it was time to take him to the vet and had planned to do it one day after work. I got home from work that day and he wasn't there. I looked everywhere for him and after searching for hours I eventually found him under a bush in the garden and still alive. That was a very clear message to me that he did not want to be taken to the vet, that even in his weakened state he had dragged himself off into hiding. I think he must have been a mind reader!!! So instead I made him as comfortable as possible and kept him inside for the last days of his life, and I think he appreciated it as it really did seem to me that was what he wanted, and he never did complain for that whole 3 weeks, and the last night of his life before he died, he just gave me this look of peace. It was his way of saying thankyou and goodbye.

 

I have spent lots of effort, time and money on sick and injured pets to give them quality of life. Sometimes I won (well for a little bit longer), sometimes I didn't, and mostly that depended on the will of the animal.

I think if there is good to be achieved then effort should be made, but if, despite the efforts, the prognosis is hopeless, death is imminent, or prolonging it will cause suffering, unless they will it otherwise, it is time to let go.

 

If you are close enough to your animals they will find a way to let you know what their wishes are.

 

I have a budgie called artemis the beakless wonder budgie. His mother attacked him in the nest at 3 weeks of age and tore his top beak away, but he was still alive when I found him in that awful condition. I spoke to my bird vet about it at length because a little while ago I had made the decision to euthanase a similarly afflicted budgie who I could feel was going to die regardless. This time I decided differently, artemis seemed much stronger than the other budgie and I decided to give artemis a chance. I let him sleep in my shirt whenever I was home and tube fed him for a week until he decided one day that he had enough of tube feeding and he worked out how to feed himself from the bowl of soft food I put in the nest box for him and his siblings. He has been living on soft mash food ever since and manages to eat whole seeds, and is now almost 2 years old, and still beakless. I decided a few weeks ago that he was doing so well I would put him in the big aviary with the other birds. They all had plenty of soft mash and he was eating, but I think they must have been nasty to him about his beak because, coincidentally, last night after reading this topic, I went out to check on the birds and opened the aviary door and he must have been feeling sick because he came to me and crawled up my shirt sat on my shoulder and chirped loudly and repeatedly in my ear and was all huddled and fluffed up. I thought he was going to die on me last night so I gave him a cuddle and let him sleep inside my shirt again for a couple of hours as I had done when he was injured. This morning he was bright and chirpy as ever and eating and playing, so he wants to live again, but he has decided that he prefers my company and living in his usual cage with the baby birds.

 

It reminded me of an experiment that was conducted with three house plants.

Three plants were sitting on a window sill, they were the same type of plant, in the same type of pot and soil, and were given the same amount and type of fertiliser and water each day.

The first plant was told every day "I love you", the second plant was told every day "I hate you" and the third plant, except for its basic watering needs, was ignored.

The first plant that was loved flourished, the second plant that was hated grew but was stunted, the third plant that was ignored, withered and died.

 

Loving attention is essential to life, and all decisions about life must be based on love and with loving intent. There are lessons, purpose and meaning in all of it. Sometimes love will make you hold on for dear life, but sometimes you have to love something or someone enough to let them go.

Growing up in a small country town you see alot of things happen .

I think today we seem to make it harder on ourselves , with drugs ,medications , knowledge, nursing skills it gives us hope that there is that chance , if it was 100 years ago most things would have died, now we can prolong live , but the question is why ? , Do we not want to let go of the inevitable?,Cant we deal with the fact of death?

Euthanasia has its place , so I have no problem with it.

I think part of it is that these days we have been taught to fear death so much. Death is as much about life as being born, I have done some work on myself & read lots & they say until you don’t fear death you can’t live fully, once you accept death & the fact that it is a part of all that is, then you truly begin to live.

My thoughts are that the idea is when you feel you have had enough, when you feel you have had all you can get out of life & you start to feel tired of it & that it really has no further purpose for you, then that is the right time to leave. Some die suddenly, like in a sudden stroke, but if you come from a long lived strain [or family] life can die a cell at a time & after a period it probably isn’t worth the suffering what you get out of it.

I might write more later but that all I have time for now…life still worth it & busy…LOL...