i have just noticed that my new spangle has differnt markings than my other spangles, they have all black tips on the feathers of their wings but he has black and blue tips, what does it mean? i hope you can see what i am talking about from the pics i took.

Deb have a look at my last post about the colour of your new girl. I think I've explained it as best I can there

Alot of spangles carry this. He's not opaline but he does carry what alot of people call an "opalesence" But i don't beleive there's anything to suggest this to mean that he's split opaline as alot of my spangles have it also... I beleive it is even a fault on the show bench??

Beautiful bird

He is a badly marked spangle as show circles goes. It just means that the markings are not as crisp as they should be.

Edited May 5, 200817 yr by Daz

I like to think it means he is carrying opaline.

it is a shame if it is called bad marking because i think it makes him look prettier than my other spangles.

If it makes you feel better I should have more understanding of the opaline theory soon. As long as we gets hens in this clutch It stood the test last clutch as we only got blue spangle hens, so cross fingers for no blue spangle cocks from this clutch .

If it makes you feel better I should have more understanding of the opaline theory soon. As long as we gets hens in this clutch It stood the test last clutch as we only got blue spangle hens, so cross fingers for no blue spangle cocks from this clutch .

 

 

i would love to see your results but what would be a good female to pair him with so i could see if he was carrying opaline.

A non-opaline female. Since opaline is sex linked if he is carrying it then you will only get it in the female chicks

If it makes you feel better I should have more understanding of the opaline theory soon. As long as we gets hens in this clutch It stood the test last clutch as we only got blue spangle hens, so cross fingers for no blue spangle cocks from this clutch .

 

 

Producing a female spangle won't prove anything as spangle is not sex linked. You will get both male and female spangles. If the bird IS opaline/split/carrying then you'll get definate opaline hens which could be just oplaline OR opaline spangle. The markings can't be proved to be carrying opaline alone as he could just be split by coincidence. You'll need more than one bird to make this a definate theory, with birds of both carrying and not carrying opaline. To prove it the birds not carrying opaline must not have an "opalesence" through their markings and only the opaline ones doing so.

When I said blue spangle hens I meant that the spangles were blue rather than black, this is what I am testing, not that the actual bird is blue.... The male of this pair has the blue spangles, which is the theoretical indicator or opaline carrier and the female is a fantastic solid black spangle, with no hint of opaline in her. I have a number of these sort of males(and also females of course) that have the body colour spangles and as soon as they get their butts into gear and breed I sould have more chicks to look at.

that is a really unique bird do you have any pictures of it from the front i would love to see it

that is a really unique bird do you have any pictures of it from the front i would love to see it

 

 

this is a picture of him from the front with his partner. He looks like my other spangles from the front.

He looks lovely I really like spangles. i look forward to your breeding outcomes

I have several spangles who have the blue instead of black markings or green instead of black without being opaline or split opaline. It's not an indicator of carrying it, it's a fault in the markings. Same as suffision in the ino birds and DF spangles. Nothing more nothing less. By coincidence you bird COULD be split opaline, but this fault alone does not mean he IS. I have birds in both green and blue series like this, with their parents, grandparents and great grandparents all being bred by me, no opaline anywhere in the genetic lines.

I have a boy EXACTLY like yours and the blue markings are mismarkings and no indicator at all of hiding opaline genes. I used to think just like others are here, but it is wrong. The boy I have is now a grandfather in my aviary and soon to be great grandfather and NO OPALINES anywhere in their genetic pool. A bird can hide the opaline gene very well and not have it "partly show" up like this...I really do not believe it means anything anymore apart from the fact it is mismarked. When you consider how muddied up our pet type birds genetic pool is from all the mismatched pairings that occur just to get pretty coloured saleable budgies, its no wonder we get funnily marked budgies. Compare it to the old Australian saying....THE HEINZ 57 DOG

On a side note, what do you think the black feathers on one of mine mean? Could it be that this one is carrying opaline, or is actually an opaline but most of the markings are being masked by spangle instead? Can spangle mask opaline?

If you're referring to the picture of you bird like this that you posted the other day it was an opaline spangle i beleive. Not masking one or the other but showing BOTH... Do have more pictures of the bird you could post, perhaps in a new topic so we can keep this one on the subject of the bird at hand ?

Edited May 6, 200817 yr by *libby*

Sorry I wasn't trying to divert the topic, just trying to increase the general understanding of the colouring and work out whether a bird can be mostly Deb's birds colouring with the opaline being masked. My other bird was simply an example that came to mind

well yes birds who look like that can certainly be split opaline, but that's coincidence not a definate fact of it or a way identifying the split

But it would've been a nice theory and helped with telling splits

On a side note, what do you think the black feathers on one of mine mean? Could it be that this one is carrying opaline, or is actually an opaline but most of the markings are being masked by spangle instead? Can spangle mask opaline?

 

Spangle can't mask Opaline and vs versa the only genes that can mask a gene are your dilute genes example an ino gene since it erases the marking can mask the spangle or opaline gene, just like a dilute gene can make the marking less visible. These 2 genes don't make anything less "noticeable" so they don't mask each other they are both visible on the bird.

What a stunning bird!!!