March 17, 200817 yr Author I love cinnamon wings, and the yellow or golden faces make them look even better. Cinnamon wing opaline, golden face blue, split to recessive pied - quite a mouthful. I am amazed that the journeyman looks to be a nromal blue at this stage. After having such colourful siblings, the blue sems a little .... bland.
March 18, 200817 yr I love cinnamon wings, and the yellow or golden faces make them look even better. Cinnamon wing opaline, golden face blue, split to recessive pied - quite a mouthful. How long have you been breeding Dave? It is amazing that you can figure out that many variations in the one bird... do you know that because you know his parents/grandparents or can you tell just by looking at him? I am very impressed by your knowledge of budgies... hopefully oneday I'll be able to do that.
March 18, 200817 yr Author 2nd year of breeding birds after a 20 year gap or so. Started when I was young. I am not that knowledgeable - these characteristics are all visual - Golden face, opaline, cinnamon wing. Dad is a recessive pied, so they have to be plit to recessive pied. They cannot NOT be. So ultimately, a bit is due to knowledge and a bit is due to visual idenification.
March 19, 200817 yr Author oops, miscount Sebby and Cheese have 5 Angel and hugo - 4 including the journeyman nibbler and Tralia - 3. Colours to be advised for most
March 19, 200817 yr Author not really bigger, just modified. Since 2 sides are enclosed now the birds have more protection. The plastic lets in the light, so there is no issue there, but we are yet to have rain or wind, so I can not really tell how effective it is there. It should be fine. I am going to try to make the safety door over easter, so that should solve another problem. Otherwise, it is all looking good.
March 20, 200817 yr Author New photos taken this afternoon. Some are a little blurry, and normally I exclude the blurry ones, but the ones I included I did for a reason. Firstly Sebby and Cheese's lot. Eldest - a recessive pied. Shown plenty of shots of this little one, but todays shot is of his/her stomach. A little blurry but note the brightness of the blue. All 3 pieds should have this. 2nd eldest is a cutie - Yellow/golden face type 1 cinnamon wing. Middle child in this nestbox is a cinnamon wing, golden faced type II, opaline and normally I would say blue here, but when you look at the photos, the cinnamon has diluted the colour to more of a lilac. Very pretty Youngest 2 are pieds. Not the blue feathers coming through on the spot on the tail of the oldest of the two. Few of them together, piling and lining up. I love the yellow on the tail feathers of the cinnamons, especially the middle chick Next - Angel and Hugo's nestbox. It is important to remember that the oldest of the chicks in this nestbox actually is fostered, from Sebby and Cheese. It is a standard blue, with the split to recessive patch on its head. Now with its siblings Also in this nestbox is one little one that may or may not make it. It does look quite pale compared to the others, so we will see. I know the flash had an impact, but we will see how things turn out. Crop appears full, so that is a good sign. Tralia and Nibbler No new photos, but there are now 4 little ones in the nest box. The eldest looks so much bigger than the rest. Damn puberty - (Laughing out loud). okay, so there you have it, another update, sure to be read, all comments appreciated.
March 20, 200817 yr Thanks for all those pictures Dave, you certainly have a nice collection of colours there & they are all looking good, except maybe the pale one, I have noticed a couple of times, when I saw a chick that was very pale compared to the norm & in most cases soon succumbed. Almost like it had less blood, as usually a healthy young chick is a strong reddish colour [pink jelly bean].
March 20, 200817 yr Author I thought that was the case as well Norm. the paler they are, the les likely they are to survive. I got up this morning and looked in and they are all still alive and kciking. With any luck, they will all kick on. I am not sure it is due to being underfed or what it is. We will see. Kaz, there is a great range of colours. When you consider that these guys are all from the one clutch it is amazing. and the eldest here
March 21, 200817 yr The pale chicks that usually dont survive have an infection....its kind of like a leukemia thing. Thats why they look so pale....and why they often do not survive past another 4-5 days past the age your is right now.
March 21, 200817 yr Author I am hoping that this one is the exception Kaz. After having all of Humphrey and Milly's chicks die as verey pale looking chicks, I do not want it anymore. I wonder what causes the infection? Is it genetic? Thanks Maesie.
March 21, 200817 yr Genetic ?? NO....I have found not all chicks in a nest have this to prove its genetic. It could just be a bug the parents have picked up and fed to the baby with its food. Like when they peck at droppings along with food and then feed the babies. Hit and miss. One chicks gets it and the others dont. My theory anyway.
March 21, 200817 yr Author Oh okay, maybe that is it then. Funny how all 3 were like that in Humphrey's and Milly's. Maybe one of them had a natural gut infection.
March 21, 200817 yr the little yellow one will turn out darker as it gets older ...like cheese and my Petie!!! Petie looked like that when he was young oh and i read all 11 pages and man that as hard work!!
March 21, 200817 yr Author the little yellow one will turn out darker as it gets older ...like cheese and my Petie!!!Petie looked like that when he was young oh and i read all 11 pages and man that as hard work!! If you go back and look at cheese, you will notice he is not that dark. it is because he is a goldenface type II. Look how bright his face is to the yellow that is diffused throughout his body. I think that the pieds will remain more creamino than yellow. Compare the colour of Cheese's face to the the colour of hsi washed out body.
March 21, 200817 yr My thoughts are that those pale chicks have some genetic fault, of course in some it may be some infection, but in the couple that I had they looked pale small & different from the moment they hatched & didn’t even last one day. As always my thoughts on these different [sick looking chicks] is that we are better off without them anyway, as if they survive they may weaken the stock [genetic pool]. If you had one batch where they all failed, it could be as Kaz has said an infection, but it would point to genetic weakness also in my opinion. Dave if I were you I wouldn’t get too upset with loosing some chicks as it’s pretty impossible to remove all losses if your going to breed, it’s just part of the process.
March 21, 200817 yr Author My thoughts are that those pale chicks have some genetic fault, of course in some it may be some infection, but in the couple that I had they looked pale small & different from the moment they hatched & didn’t even last one day. As always my thoughts on these different [sick looking chicks] is that we are better off without them anyway, as if they survive they may weaken the stock [genetic pool]. If you had one batch where they all failed, it could be as Kaz has said an infection, but it would point to genetic weakness also in my opinion. Dave if I were you I wouldn’t get too upset with loosing some chicks as it’s pretty impossible to remove all losses if your going to breed, it’s just part of the process. Thanks Norm, and I do agree with you 100%. I remember the post that you made on here, probably about amonth ago or longer, abotu how you thought that we shoudl let nature take it's course. I read that and I have to say i was relieved. It is one of those things that i was thinking, but did nto have the courage to say, or even admit to myself. I felt a bit like - no one else is saying it, am I not being as responsible as I shoudl be? I do eveything I can for my pets and i will give them every opportunity, but i do agree that if they ae sick and feeble looking, pumping them full of meds to help them at this age is not right. I agree with the theory "we are better off without them". Thank you as always for affirming my thoughts, by simply offering your own. Edited March 22, 200817 yr by KAZ
March 22, 200817 yr Author Had my first nestbox escapee today. Put the little one back in, all good now. This was my escapee. Who me? No way........
March 22, 200817 yr Author My thoughts are that those pale chicks have some genetic fault, of course in some it may be some infection, but in the couple that I had they looked pale small & different from the moment they hatched & didn’t even last one day. As always my thoughts on these different [sick looking chicks] is that we are better off without them anyway, as if they survive they may weaken the stock [genetic pool]. If you had one batch where they all failed, it could be as Kaz has said an infection, but it would point to genetic weakness also in my opinion. Dave if I were you I wouldn’t get too upset with loosing some chicks as it’s pretty impossible to remove all losses if your going to breed, it’s just part of the process. Thanks Norm, and I do agree with you 1%. I remember the post that you made on here, probably about amonth ago or longer, abotu how you thought that we shoudl let nature take it's course. I read that and I have to say i was relieved. It is one of those things that i was thinking, but did nto have the courage to say, or even admit to myself. I felt a bit like - no one else is saying it, am I not being as responsible as I shoudl be? I do eveything I can for my pets and i will give them every opportunity, but i do agree that if they ae sick and feeble looking, pumping them full of meds to help them at this age is not right. I agree with the theory "we are better off without them". Thank you as always for affirming my thoughts, by simply offering your own. I have lost it now, I am replying to my own posts. My little pale bub is hanging in there. Hope springs eternal. Edited March 23, 200817 yr by KAZ
March 22, 200817 yr Yes I agree with you, in some ways you have to be brave to say you let nature take it’s corse in some cases, as sometimes it appears in this age that death must be prevented at all costs. If your pale young chick survives on it’s own it must be meant to survive, as it would in NATURE. Natures rule as we have been taught since childhood is “survival of the fittest”. Once on a Koala hospital documentary they said yes we know this guy we have had him in for recovery 6 times. Sometime I think we are preventing nature doing it’s job & possibly our intervention is preventing stock of evolving to a state of survival on their own terms, by constantly “preventing” individuals from dieing. In nature if something can’t make it, it is gone from the gene pool & the gene pool is stronger for it, whereas if we keep keeping the sick alive we are destroying the strength of the gene pool. Maybe that seems hard or uncaring to some, but that is only a human thought, not realistic. Edited March 23, 200817 yr by KAZ
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