Have a few pairs down at the moment and in the last week we have a few new additions arrive

Pair 1 is a Lute cock and a greygreen hen and the first of 7 eggs hatched last night- a little Lute!!

 

Pair 2 is a Greygreen Op/Lutino cock and a greygreen spangle op hen- 1 normal (poss cinnamon-dont know how though!!) and the 2nd one is a Lute also.

 

Also have a green Op cock and a Lute hen sitting on eggs.

 

So hopefully I'll get a few nice Lutes for next year.

No pics as the new camera has decided it doesnt do budgies....grrrrrr... they all come out really blurred unless I manually focus them and I couldnt be bothered today!! (also until they get feathers I dont reckon they're worth photoing!!

 

*so bored, other half is on night shift and its so cold and windy outside. I have a bird sitting on my head talking to himself(and pooping on me no doubt!!) so at least someone is having fun!!

Thanks for listening to my dribble again :dbb1: :ausb:

All sounds good Even the budgie on your head :hap:

okay I pulled some piccies from the depths of my computer

first pair- greygreen hen and lute cock

 

Greygreen cock & spangle hen

(not a good picture)

You have some fantastic birds now, Pie :hap:

yep very happy!!!!!!!!! :hap:

Havent got many but love the ones I have- no more room for lots!! I'll have to do an aviary upgrade soon too!!

Big thanks to the man they are from and to you for the introduction!!

yep very happy!!!!!!!!! :hap:

Havent got many but love the ones I have- no more room for lots!! I'll have to do an aviary upgrade soon too!!

Big thanks to the man they are from and to you for the introduction!!

He's a very lovely man....a real sweetheart

those pairs are gorgeous and l'm sure their chicks will be too :hap:

Beautiful birds Pie, I especially like that Grey Green Hen [nice head] will be nice to see the chicks...good luck.

Have a few pairs down at the moment and in the last week we have a few new additions arrive

Pair 1 is a Lute cock and a greygreen hen and the first of 7 eggs hatched last night- a little Lute!!

 

How do you know immediately if it's a lutino?

Because it has red eyes

You've got some gorgeous birds there.

Why shankyou everyone!!!!

We now have a little un from a split rec pied pair also. Havent anything else from the above 2 nests though. Plenty of time, I threw a few eggs out from the bottom pair a while back and she has a couple of foster eggs that were a bit later than hers, I should probably swap them again!!

Just put down a light green and a grey spangle also and they seem to be getting along quite well.

Still waiting for rings- so my luck will be the older chicks will be great as they wont have rings!!!!

Because it has red eyes

 

Don't some other types of budgies have red eyes at the beginning too? That's why I asked how they knew for sure it was lutino.

Because it has red eyes

 

Don't some other types of budgies have red eyes at the beginning too? That's why I asked how they knew for sure it was lutino.

 

It’s true that when you get a chick with Red Eyes it can be one of a few colours, but in this case The Pie Knows from the parents that they are mostly going to be Lutinos. Like with the first pair the Cock is a Lutino, so all hens are going to be Lutinos, so when one hatches with Red Eyes it’s a pretty safe bet. Of course if both parents were split for Blue it could also be Albion. She is just making a pretty safe guess.

Don't some other types of budgies have red eyes at the beginning too? That's why I asked how they knew for sure it was lutino.

 

Red eyes at hatching means an ino everytime. However, plum eyes...which can be mistaken for red eyes in an inexperienced budgie breeder...plum eyes usually means one of two things....cinnamon gene or a recessive pied. Plum eyes darken over a few days. When you notice plum eyes within the first couple of days you know you are in for a cinnamon or recessive baby. But red eyes are easily spotted and DO mean an ino in the nest. Whether or not it is a white albino or a yellow albino ( lutino ) depends on the parentage and genes :bluebudgie:

Cinnamons are thought to have red eyes at the beginning, but they don't. They actually have plum coloured eyes, which appear purpley and are an intermediate between the red eye and the black eye.

It is only inos and fallows that have red eyes and it is all related to pigment. Inos have a complete lack of pigment and this extends to their eyes, hence the reason for red eyes, what you are actually seeing is the blood in their eyes. Animals with red eyes often have poor eyesight, albino humans usually have to wear glasses and contact lenses together to compensate for their poor eyesight, this is because without pigment, light is able to get through the sclera (whites) of the eyeball as well as the pupil causing the image to blur. Cinnamon is similar to albinism in that the melanin is diluted to some extent and only the brown end of the pigment shows instead of the black. Thus their eye appear plum, because they do not have as much pigment as would a normal budgie. Again a similar mechanism occurs in humans in which a person can have very little pigment in their hair, but have blue eyes and are able to see normally, because they have pigment in their eye.

Edited September 13, 200717 yr by Sailorwolf

wow great explanations.

Yep they will be Lutinos as I have a LONG history on the birds that tells me they will be Lutinos.

 

Although... the second pair the split lute cock X op spangle greygreen. The breeding of the hen is :father DF spangle, Hen-op cinn skyblue.

The first baby had plum eyes (pretty sure- will know for definate when it feathers up) how did this happen. The father had no cinn and it cant be passed from the mother can it? I also have her son he is a year or so old and cinnamon also (from a greygreen father.) Oh well time will tell

the second baby is the Lute from these 2

Edited September 13, 200717 yr by the pie

Thanks for the more detailed explanation. It helps in understanding how some things can be figured out quicker than others.

Edited September 13, 200717 yr by Lisachromis

How many bubs you got in the nests now?

wow great explanations.

Yep they will be Lutinos as I have a LONG history on the birds that tells me they will be Lutinos.

 

Although... the second pair the split lute cock X op spangle greygreen. The breeding of the hen is :father DF spangle, Hen-op cinn skyblue.

The first baby had plum eyes (pretty sure- will know for definate when it feathers up) how did this happen. The father had no cinn and it cant be passed from the mother can it? I also have her son he is a year or so old and cinnamon also (from a greygreen father.) Oh well time will tell

the second baby is the Lute from these 2

 

If your hen Opaline Spangle Greygreen produced a Cinnamon son, she must be Genetically Cinnamon…a hen can only Produce Cinnamon sons if she is in fact Cinnamon & mated to a Cinnamon or split Cinnamon cock. I think the Spangle must be masking her Cinnamon status. If she is Opaline & Spangle the Cinnamon lines in the wing could be very fine & maybe missed. Her DF Spangle father must have been at least split for Cinnamon.

Edited September 15, 200717 yr by Norm

Hey Norm- what if the male isnt cinnamon bred? Thats what got me- hen may be cinnamon she kinda looks it.

 

Have 2 babies in rec pied nest, 2 or 3 in the Lute cock nest and took the 2 in the greygreens nest out and put them in another. 2 or 3 in the lute hen and green cock nests. Ummm I think!!

heres a couple of babies.

Greygreen Op spangle

 

2 Lutes (from different parents)

 

Together

Lovely photos Gorgeous chicks

Hey Norm- what if the male isnt cinnamon bred? Thats what got me- hen may be cinnamon she kinda looks it.

 

Have 2 babies in rec pied nest, 2 or 3 in the Lute cock nest and took the 2 in the greygreens nest out and put them in another. 2 or 3 in the lute hen and green cock nests. Ummm I think!!

 

That's true...she may be Cinnamon, but if you know for sure that the cock she's mated to has no Cinnamon in him, she can't produce a Cinnamon chick.

An opaline cinnamon spangle is very hard to tell if they are cinnamon. I have one and the only way I know that she is cinnamon is that her eyes were purple at birth, her father is split for it, she is paler than the others and she is female too. Here is a picture of her just to show you how hard it is to see cinnamon when they are spangle opalines.

Here is Bacardi a violet yellowface type 2 opaline cinnamon spangle:

 

 

And here is Itha she is a yellowface type 2 spangle cobalt cinnamon.

She isn't opaline but she may help.

 

As a baby close to your babies' ages