Recently Greg and I put down a pair of grey green Spangles, both split for blue. But we weren't expecting any blues as we both thought that would be pretty slim. So thought to myself more greens the aviary will be over flooded in greens soon.

The hen laid 5 eggs and 3 were fertile which she hatched, well to both our amazement the oldest chick is a grey green normal and quite big, the second one is a grey spangle but it looks cinn but didn't have the red eyes and the third is a white cinn double factor spangle.

I think the odds of that happening again is pretty slim but you never know.

 

The 3 of them

 

White Cinn DF spangle

 

 

 

Grey green

 

Grey spangle must be cinn

aww Gorgeous bubs.

I love the head shape of the grey-green.

Gorgeous chicks!

Yes AB he has a lovely head and he is a good size like his dad so I am hoping that this one makes it to the show bench in Sept for the uncapped shield. Xcrossing my fingers.

I'm not sure about the DF spangle cinnamon. DF are meant to be all white or all yellow. Granted I'm not 100% sure how the cinnamon reacts with the genes, s/he might only be a cinnamon with very washed out body colour and markings. Would love to see pictures later once fully grown.

Splat,You said the cock & the hen,were greygreen sp/blue.No mention of cinommon.If there is cinommon in there, the double factor spangle,should`nt be showing cinommon.Will be interesting to see when,it moults out.

I think you might find it to be a poorly marked spangle. It would have to be a hen for it to be a cinnamon and the Cock would have to be split to cinnamon.

 

As Macka said, it would be best to wait till it moults out.

Your little grey spangle looks like it could be an opaline.

I'm thinking that if you can have lacewings which are ino cinnamons, then you should be able to have a cinnamon double factor spangle.

Yes you can have a cinnamon DF Spangle but you wont see the colouring. The DF maskes most colours... except th ones you want it to mask. :budgiedance: Isn't that right Macka. We call it suffusion. I have a nice DF Spangle from two Spangle Grey Greens.. Except the grey green suffusion is evident on the breast.. I am hoping it will moult out. to pure Yellow.

 

A lacewing is not really a cinnamon ino.. well it is in a way but it is not that easy to pair an ino cock to a cinnamon sky hen and expect to get white lacewing hens. It's a bit more than that. The result is a lacewing but only 3%.

 

To achieve a lace wing.

 

Pair a Lutino Cock to a Cinnamon Hen. Or

 

a Cinnamon Cock to a Lutino Hen.

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Normal / Cinnamon / Lutino Cocks. & Cinnamon Hens.

 

next pair the Normal / Cinnamon / Lutino Cock to a Normal Hen.

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48.5% Normal / Cinamon and Normal / Lutino Cocks

1.5% Normal and Normal / Cinnamon / Lutino Cocks

48.5% Cinnamon and Lutino Hens

1.5% Normal and Lacewing Hens

 

okay now that you have a Lacewing Hen pair her to a Normal Cock.

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Normal / Lacewing Cocks

Normal Hens.

 

The Lacewing acts the same as a ino gene.

 

A Cock bird can be split to lacewing.

Edited August 2, 200717 yr by Daz

Daz,Thats right suffusion,cinimmon is surpose to help,to soften suffusion,I have`nt tryed to breed DF SP.I do have a cinimmon SP,But I have not used it with a SP. :budgiedance:

I am trying the Jeff Attwood approach. To better the wing markings on a Spangle, breed Spangle to Spangle. I know there is supposed to be 25% normal, 25% DF Spangle and 50% SF Spangle but i haven't found that to be the case. Out of the pairings last year I only got 1 DF Spangle. I got a high percentage SF Spangle with improving wing markings.

beautiful chicks and surprises in the nest are always cool

what a nice surprise , they are all so beautiful .

Sorry Guys but she is differently a white cinn double factor spangle, she is pure white. Greg rang up Ian the breeder because he wanted to make sure she was what she was. The father is split for cinn. When hatched her eyes were red.

I will post more photos in week or so.

Are they still red splat.

no Macka they look normal now, well that's in the breeding room. I haven't taken her out into the sunlight yet, her skin is pink as she really looks albino , that is why Greg rang the breeder to make sure there was no albino in her. But she doen't have red eyes now.

So what you are saying is she is totally white but you know that she has the cinnamon gene becuase of the eyes and it is being masked by the double factor spangle gene. Is this correct?

Yes that's what they are saying. I think Nerwen, I had the same thing with my two Spangles I mated together, the male has the possibility of being split Lacewing & one of the DF pure Yellow chicks had pink eyes at first, but they are now black.

 

 

 

Daz or others, a question I have been meaning to ask about this Spangle to Spangle mating, is it only the young that turn out pure White or Yellow, that are considered DF, I mean all the chicks have Spangle to Spangle parents, but are the normal marked Spangle chicks in these batches still considered SF Spangles? The normal marked Spangles in my batch deffinately seem to have stronger wing markings.

Edited August 3, 200717 yr by Norm

Yes Norm the ones that still have markings and colour on the body are SF spangles, they got one normal gene from a parent and one spangle gene from the other.

Yes Nerwen she is pure white and difentley cinn double factor spangle as the father is split for cinn the mother is opaline spangle and I think the dad must be split for oplaine also as the grey baby looks to be opaline, I haven't ask the breeder the question yet.

Daz or others, a question I have been meaning to ask about this Spangle to Spangle mating, is it only the young that turn out pure White or Yellow, that are considered DF, I mean all the chicks have Spangle to Spangle parents, but are the normal marked Spangle chicks in these batches still considered SF Spangles? The normal marked Spangles in my batch deffinately seem to have stronger wing markings.

 

Norm Single Factor Spanlge to Single Factor Spangle gives 25% Normal, 25% Double Factor and 50% Single Factor Spangle.

 

Double factor in the blue series is white and in the green series is yellow.

 

Spangle to spangle will increase the wing markings.

Hey Daz if you put doulbe factor spangle to single spangle will also improve the wing marking, more so than single single. which I have been led to beleive. especialy if you have a washy lloking single spangle like my grey one.

With her next year I will put her with a double factor then the year after I will put her offspring with a normal and that is meant to bring the markings back. If she lives past this year.:fear

Let me know how you go Splat. :fear

Hi guys here some more photos of my babies out of this nest

 

Cinn white double factor spangle hatched 9/7/07

 

cinn grey spangle hatched 6/7/07

 

grey green normal hatched 1/7/07

 

They are coming along nicely :hap: