Hi all, these are budgies that I stole from my budgie driver. The last hen wasn't quite the one that I wanted, there was another olive cock, but he couldn't catch him. He has the worst possible set up for colony breeding so I need to get back there and sort it out for him, before disaster sets in When I do that I will swap the hen for the cock that I was after.

 

 

This first budgie is a Violet skyblue

 

 

 

A white DF spangle hen

 

 

Hey Kaz, maybe this is a good match for chopper :budgiedance:

 

 

Appears to be a YF olive hen

 

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/al...Olivenormal.jpg - changed to link need to resize to 450x450

 

 

 

Feathers.

Edited June 28, 200717 yr by Elly

Beautiful birds....

 

Can I ask how an olive bird be a yellowface? I thought olive was 2 dark factors in a green bird and only blues are yellowfaces? (I have read the discussion about greens carrying the yf but that is only in theory) or am I missing that he is a blue bird? :budgiedance:

 

How can you tell the first one is carrying the violet gene? Curious

 

Love the picture of the DF spangle

 

Sorry for the the questions but you know me :budgiedance:

Elly, Elly, Elly

 

Can I ask how an olive bird be a yellowface? I thought olive was 2 dark factors in a green bird and only blues are yellowfaces? (I have read the discussion about greens carrying the yf but that is only in theory) or am I missing that he is a blue bird?

 

 

You can actually see yellow bleeding into the colour at the neckline and the yellow looks like it has been painted on quite thickly, just over the face. This is why I put it "Appears to be". I am quite happy to be corrected.

 

 

How can you tell the first one is carrying the violet gene? Curious

 

Ahh, you can thank Kaz for that. She explained the visual clues to the violet gene in my breeding journal for Jewel and Beau. Other than the violet markings that are visible around the neck in person, he also has the tell tale turquoise flight feathers and tail feathers.

 

 

Love the picture of the DF spangle

 

Did you get the impression she wanted to get out of there?

 

 

Feathers.

 

I see the yellow more around the neckline but would so the olive part is correct or would it be a mauve or colbat with the yellow washing it then since it is a white based bird not a yellow. I thought olive was a yellow based bird with 2 dark factors. You following me?

 

Can you point out the different things Kaz said to look for in a visual skyblue violet. Not just for me but others too :budgiedance:.

 

Yes I think she said OUT NOW...I don't think I want to be in a dark alley with this bird

 

Thank you :budgiedance:

Karen pointed out information from this article...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c.../violets01.html

 

The best guide to distinguishing Violet Skyblues from Cobalts are the tail and flight feathers. Cobalt tails are a solid navy blue. The darker the Cobalt body colour, the deeper the blue of the tail but even the palest Normal Cobalts have navy blue tails. In Violet Skyblues the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip. The depth of turquoise in the tail varies with the depth of body colour. The difference we see in the tails can also be seen in the flight feathers. The colour in the flight feathers of Cobalts is dark blue. In Violet Skyblues there is a glossier turquoise iridescence like that seen in Skyblues but slightly darker that the Skyblue. In general Violet Skyblues have a brighter appearance than Cobalts.

I am confused, was your taxi driver KAZ?

Nice birds Aly, I’m going to say that that third bird looks like a Grey Green to me & is it an Opaline? It’s cheek patches look Bluish Grey & tail Black not Blue, to me. Shame on you stealing birds, or was it a bird Rescue? I bet you just opened the door for that DF Spangle & let it out, I wouldn’t be game to put my hand in there…(Laughing out loud).

That's what I was thinking Phoebe

 

As to the last one I believe you have a Grey-green bird. The cheek patches are a silver-blue and what I can see if the tail looks to be black.

I am confused, was your taxi driver KAZ?

 

NO Aly has a friendly taxi driver who can take her wheelchair as he has a special taxi vehicle for wheelchairs. He went with Aly when they bought some birds once and he bought some too for his aviary. Aly has convinced him they would like her place better

Was truly fooled!!

those are beautiful birds

I am confused as your Olive looks to be grey green, How do you know it is an Olive . Several breeders have told me the only difference between a Dr Green and an Olive is the tail. Dk Green has black feathers and Olive has blue where the black is on the dk Green

So seeing your Olives that to me are grey green is totally confusing me.

Can someone please explain the difference to me.

 

:ausb:

 

They are lovely birds Feathers,

Edited June 25, 200717 yr by **KAZ**

Wonderful birds Feathers

 

I love the one that just wants to get OUT! =P

It's okay.. I called every grey green bird I photographed yesterday an olive. I was going to check the colour chart, but couldn't be bothered Shoot me..

 

I'm just going to plead over tiredness and see if I get away with it This is a change from when I was correcting Elly's monitor's colour blindness a couple of months back

 

 

Shame on you stealing birds, or was it a bird Rescue? I bet you just opened the door for that DF Spangle & let it out, I wouldn’t be game to put my hand in there…(Laughing out loud).

 

I have to admit I very shamelessly stole the birds and I did extract the DF Spangles with my phalanges and gave it a bit of a head scratch before putting her back into her quarantine quarters.

 

My taxi driver is an absolute angel. He often goes out of his way to accomodate me. He was talking about finches and canaries and I convinced him that they would be a better idea for his aviaries.

 

 

Feathers.

Gorgeous birds. I love that 3rd picture. It looks like "karate budgie" Hy-YAH!!!!!

Your violet sky blue looks like he is carrying the opaline gene

 

Just a bit :offtopic: but, what about cobalt budgies who have violet around their necks. They obviously can't be carrying a violet gene, or else they would be visual violets, so how do they have violet on their necks. This is how it is with Alo my cobalt spangle. Curious

 

I see the yellow more around the neckline but would so the olive part is correct or would it be a mauve or colbat with the yellow washing it then since it is a white based bird not a yellow. I thought olive was a yellow based bird with 2 dark factors. You following me?

 

Thank you

???? :offtopic:

 

I see the yellow more around the neckline but would so the olive part is correct or would it be a mauve or colbat with the yellow washing it then since it is a white based bird not a yellow. I thought olive was a yellow based bird with 2 dark factors. You following me?

 

Thank you

???? :offtopic:

 

good one Elly, He He He!!! was that too late or too early... :(Laughing out loud): :devil:

Your violet sky blue looks like he is carrying the opaline gene

 

That is if you abide by the thinking that a budgie with 'opalescence' is carrying the opaline gene. I thought that had been pretty much dispelled in a previous discussion on the subject.

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=14834

 

 

Just a bit but, what about cobalt budgies who have violet around their necks. They obviously can't be carrying a violet gene, or else they would be visual violets, so how do they have violet on their necks.

 

Sky violets look cobalt coloured. So if you have a cobalt with violet around the necl line check for the torquoise flight and tailfeathers, he may actually be sky violet, not cobalt.

 

The best guide to distinguishing Violet Skyblues from Cobalts are the tail and flight feathers. Cobalt tails are a solid navy blue. The darker the Cobalt body colour, the deeper the blue of the tail but even the palest Normal Cobalts have navy blue tails. In Violet Skyblues the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip. The depth of turquoise in the tail varies with the depth of body colour. The difference we see in the tails can also be seen in the flight feathers. The colour in the flight feathers of Cobalts is dark blue. In Violet Skyblues there is a glossier turquoise iridescence like that seen in Skyblues but slightly darker that the Skyblue. In general Violet Skyblues have a brighter appearance than Cobalts.

 

 

Feathers.

 

I see the yellow more around the neckline but would so the olive part is correct or would it be a mauve or colbat with the yellow washing it then since it is a white based bird not a yellow. I thought olive was a yellow based bird with 2 dark factors. You following me?

 

Thank you

????

 

good one Elly, He He He!!! was that too late or too early... :hap: :(Laughing out loud): :devil:

 

 

My question is being ignored Norm

Elly you are right an olive bird is a green based bird with 2 dark factors.

 

Then there is the violet greens that look the same.

 

Is that the part you wanted answered?

Just going back to Aly’s bird, [the Olive] which we have all decided is actually a Grey green…re the bit about it being a YF…I still don’t really know if a Green series bird is carrying YF, whether it is masking it or is split for it…YF is only dominant over a Blue series bird, but since it’s considered a Dominant trait & birds can’t be split for Dominant, is [when it’s mated to a Green series bird & “disappears”] it just being masked, as an Ino masks it’s true colour.

I used to think that Grey was a Blue series bird, but now I have read that it’s a colour-adding factor. In the Green series it’s a Grey Green, Blue series it’s Grey.

I don’t think there’s any way apart from when you breed a Green series bird to “know” if it is masking YF…Grey’s will show the YF, but in the Grey Green it’s not visual. I hope I’m making some sense? I wonder whether the Grey factor complicates things?

 

I have a pair, paired up that just had its first batch; the hen is a Grey Green Cinnamon Dominant Pied, the cock an Opaline Light Green. They have had one YF2 Dominant Pied chick, I think it’s the grey green hen that’s carrying it, but I guess I can’t be sure.

 

Now lets talk about the Violet Sky Blue…to me it looks like a Sky Blue, do I get it wrong, from that quote Kaz quoted from Karen…I understand from that that the Violet Sky Blue looks like a Cobalt, but can be told by the fact that it has “the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip.”

The idea I got from it was that these are characteristics of Sky Blues & that was the way you could tell a Violet Sky Blue from a Cobalt. But first of all it had to look something like a Cobalt…is that right.

 

Sorry Aly, see you shouldn’t steal birds, see how much controversy it stirs up he…he…he. :devil:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/al...Olivenormal.jpg Aly's bird in the first picture

 

Nerwen not really my question is how can this be labelled a yellow face olive when (even though it is now labeled a grey green). Green birds are not labelled yellowfaced though as Norm said there are article written up about if a green does carry the gene.

 

So what I am understanding from what you have taught me is that a green bird is a green bird :ausb: no yellow face attached while a blue based bird can have a yellow face. So since olive is 2 dark factors in a green bird there is no such thing as a YF Olive or even Green Gray Bird at this time.

 

Do you follow me :hap: so if this bird is a Yellow Face blue it must be either one of the shades of blue, sky, cobalt or mauve yes? It can't be an olive.

Edited June 28, 200717 yr by Elly

Just a bit but, what about cobalt budgies who have violet around their necks. They obviously can't be carrying a violet gene, or else they would be visual violets, so how do they have violet on their necks.

 

Sky violets look cobalt coloured. So if you have a cobalt with violet around the necl line check for the torquoise flight and tailfeathers, he may actually be sky violet, not cobalt.

 

The best guide to distinguishing Violet Skyblues from Cobalts are the tail and flight feathers. Cobalt tails are a solid navy blue. The darker the Cobalt body colour, the deeper the blue of the tail but even the palest Normal Cobalts have navy blue tails. In Violet Skyblues the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip. The depth of turquoise in the tail varies with the depth of body colour. The difference we see in the tails can also be seen in the flight feathers. The colour in the flight feathers of Cobalts is dark blue. In Violet Skyblues there is a glossier turquoise iridescence like that seen in Skyblues but slightly darker that the Skyblue. In general Violet Skyblues have a brighter appearance than Cobalts.

 

 

Feathers.

 

Unfortunately Alo (the cobalt in question) is a spangle so I can't look at his tail feathers. His father is a sky blue though. I'm pretty sure his mother, Saffron, was a double dark factor(she's a DF spangle so it is hard to tell, but she has had all cobalt babies), so genetically he should be cobalt.

 

Haha, two conversations going on at once.