Here is my bird. She has no iris ring and dark plum eyes. I thought she was a DEC?

 

Besides the eyes lightening with age is there any way (and besides parentage because I don't have that)

that I could tell if she was a Double Factor Spangle?

 

 

 

 

Are these rare or fairly common?

 

Thanks

 

Michelle

 

I think I just answered my own question - double factor spangles have a dark eye with a white iris?

 

Mine has no ring...

Edited June 19, 200717 yr by memonty

He is a double factor spangle. because he has an iris ring.

Here in canda they are very rare but I think they are fairly common in Australia...

Maloney I thought she said no iris ring? As for the pics I can't see one or not because of the way the bird is positioned. The way she is explaining it the bird is a DEC.

 

If there is no iris ring and the eyes are dark they are considered DEC if there is an iris ring I would say a Double Factor Spangle.

 

You can tell a budgie is double-factor spangle because its irises lighten normally with age. Comparatively, lutinos/albinos have red eyes and dark-eyed clears have dark plum eyes throughout their lives.

Edited June 19, 200717 yr by Elly

Maloney I thought she said no iris ring? As for the pics I can't see one or not because of the way the bird is positioned. The way she is explaining it the bird is a DEC.

 

If there is no iris ring and the eyes are dark they are considered DEC if there is an iris ring I would say a Double Factor Spangle.

 

You can tell a budgie is double-factor spangle because its irises lighten normally with age. Comparatively, lutinos/albinos have red eyes and dark-eyed clears have dark plum eyes throughout their lives.

 

 

Yes Elly you are right. There is NO iris ring. I will try upload a better photo tonight - off to help at the kids school

When you say her eyes are dark plum do you mean red because to me she looks like an Lutino.

 

She's georgous! Love that buttercup yellow. Good luck with her :-)

 

Cheers,

KathyW.

I would think it is a Lutino.

Here is my bird. She has no iris ring and dark plum eyes. I thought she was a DEC?

 

Besides the eyes lightening with age is there any way (and besides parentage because I don't have that)

that I could tell if she was a Double Factor Spangle?

 

 

 

 

Are these rare or fairly common?

 

Thanks

 

Michelle

 

I think I just answered my own question - double factor spangles have a dark eye with a white iris?

 

Mine has no ring..

double factor birds should be an even solid colour throught meaning wings and tail also the same as the body colour, the cheek patch should be a silver white colour.

ill agree with macka more like a lutino

Edited June 19, 200717 yr by **KAZ**

Plum eyes belong to Fallow.. she's not a fallow i'd say lutino.

 

Breed her to a normal if she is df spangle all your chicks will be sf Spangles.

 

If she is a Lutino no chicks will be spanlge or Lutino all will be normal.

Cocks will be split lutino.

Edited June 19, 200717 yr by Daz

In the picture I can see clearly defined iris rings. She is a double factor spangle. Plum eyes do not mean lutino, they mean DEC

I agree with sailorwolf, in the second picture, I 'clearly' sees iris ring. HOwever her eyes doesn't look 'black' but rather plum/red.. I would lean towards a lutino, but better picture of the eyes would help for sure.

Maloney I thought she said no iris ring? As for the pics I can't see one or not because of the way the bird is positioned. The way she is explaining it the bird is a DEC.

 

If there is no iris ring and the eyes are dark they are considered DEC if there is an iris ring I would say a Double Factor Spangle.

 

You can tell a budgie is double-factor spangle because its irises lighten normally with age. Comparatively, lutinos/albinos have red eyes and dark-eyed clears have dark plum eyes throughout their lives.

 

 

 

Sorry, I thought she said she has iris rings

You ladies are good because in the 2nd picture I can't see anything but an eye (Laughing out loud) not an iris ring. I hope you can take some closer shots of the side of her to see her eyes . I agree though she looks very lutino.

Look closely at the second picture and there is a line that could be an iris ring or the eyelid of the bird.

 

The best bet is a test breeding with a normal as Daz suggested.

Plum eyes do not mean lutino, they mean DEC

 

:ausb:

 

Dark Eyed Clear. as per the Australia Standard.

 

MASK & SPOTS: Mask to be clear, wide and deep, (not cleft) extending beyond two large cheek patches.

 

GENERAL BODY COLOUR: Back, Rump, breast, flanks and underparts to be solid and even shade throughout.

 

MARKINGS: To be absent from all areas. Wings corresponding to body colour.

 

EYES: Dark with the absence of a white iris ring.

 

PRIMARY FLIGHTS: Approaching the body colour.

 

FEET & LEGS: Pink

 

CERE: Cocks Flesh Colour.

 

Not to be confused with a Black Eyed Self (click to enlarge)

 

Haven't we had this discussion about DECs before. I recollect that there is tewo discriptions to them.

I think someone pulled this article up. D.E.C.. Unfortunately not everything you read is accurate.

 

Let's see what the experts say.

 

DEC from Ghalib Al-Nasser

 

What are They?

Dark-Eyed Clears, from their name, are budgerigars of clear yellow or white, free from any markings and colour pigmentation. This purity of colour covers the entire body and wings. They resemble the Lutinos and Albinos except in the eye. They share a common ground with Recessive Pieds, insofar as they have the solid black eye without the white iris ring; hence at times they are referred to as a "Black-Eyed Clears". Like the Lutino and Albino the DEC can mask any colour. For instance, a Yellow DEC could be in fact, an Olive Green DEC or a Light Green DEC. The shade of yellow in this case will be deeper and richer in the Olive than in that of the Light Green.

 

Information by Ghalib Al-Nasser

(Budgerigar Society - President 2001/2002)

(World Budgerigar Organisation - Secretary/Treasurer)

Edited June 21, 200717 yr by Daz

I think they can also have plum eyes seeing as the recessive pied gene goes into making them. Recessive pieds have plum eyes and I am sure I have read it before too.

Plum eyes don't always appear plum. My two cinnamons seem like they have black eyes even though cinnamons have purple eyes when they are babies.

Nerwen I thought it was the eyelid more then an iris ring but as you said breeding the bird or a better shot of the bird would help.

I think they can also have plum eyes seeing as the recessive pied gene goes into making them. Recessive pieds have plum eyes and I am sure I have read it before too.

Plum eyes don't always appear plum. My two cinnamons seem like they have black eyes even though cinnamons have purple eyes when they are babies.

 

 

What are They?

Dark-Eyed Clears, from their name, are budgerigars of clear yellow or white, free from any markings and colour pigmentation. This purity of colour covers the entire body and wings. They resemble the Lutinos and Albinos except in the eye. They share a common ground with Recessive Pieds, insofar as they have the solid black eye without the white iris ring; hence at times they are referred to as a "Black-Eyed Clears". Like the Lutino and Albino the DEC can mask any colour. For instance, a Yellow DEC could be in fact, an Olive Green DEC or a Light Green DEC. The shade of yellow in this case will be deeper and richer in the Olive than in that of the Light Green.

 

Recessive pieds have black eyes too.

Yes Daz...Pretty's eyes were black not plum

Aqua my late recessive pied had plum eyes

Nerwen I thought it was the eyelid more then an iris ring but as you said breeding the bird or a better shot of the bird would help.

 

 

Yes Elly I think it's an eye lid too, was just pointing out the area that people are seeing.

gotcha

Memonty if you are still coming over tomorrow afternoon, see if you can bring him and i'll have a look at him.