Posted April 26, 200718 yr What is the easiest way to get clearbodies but without splits. I would prefer white but i don't know if you can pair different ones to get the white ones.
April 26, 200718 yr Clearbody is a sex linked trait, so to get 100% you need a white clearbody hen and a white clearbody cock. any other combination and you could still get splits Have a look at the table in this post: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....topic=14813&hl= Feathers. Edited April 26, 200718 yr by feathers
April 26, 200718 yr how about any regular recessive type of genes that are not sex-linked feathers? Thinking out loud.
April 26, 200718 yr I meant for this particular post I didn't go in on the link (Laughing out loud) too early still
April 26, 200718 yr Here's where I get really confused. Curry is texas clearbody and Laila isnt. Two clutches in a row we get texas clearbody babies. How does that work. Also Shiloh who is texas clearbody only ever produced a texas clearbody like herself with Lucifer who was actually a grey dilute. Texas clearbodies confuse me. I have just put a texas clearbody hen in with a green cock who is split to clearbody. I guess I gotta work that out.
April 26, 200718 yr The babies that were clearbodies they were hens right? The male will give the clearbody gene to the hens and they can't mask the gene. If you got a clearbody from that mating that means that Lucifer is carrying the clearbody gene if you had visible clearbodies. Because in this case the female would give to the male but for the male to express it they have to have 2 clearbody genes. From what I understand here clearbody is no different in regards to figuring it out like the ino or any other sex-linked gene. Maybe I am way off..so we will see what others say.
April 26, 200718 yr Yep, from everything I has read, clearbody works the same way as any other sex linked gene. so: Clearbody Cock X Clearbody Hen = CB Cocks = CB Hens CB Cock X Normal Hen = Normal/CB Cocks = CB Hens Normal Cock X CB Hen = Normal/CB Cocks = Normal Hens Normal/CB Cocks X Normal Hen = Normal Cocks = Normal/CB Cocks = CB Hens = Normal Hens NB: Visually you will not be able to tell which normals are also split for the CB gene Normal/CB Cocks X CB Hen = CB Cocks = Normal/CB Cocks = CB Hens = Normal Hens Just to confuse things a bit more, we can add the clearbody split inos... CB/INO Cock X Clearbody Hen = CB Cocks =Clearbody/INO Cocks = CB Hens = Ino Hens NB: Visually you will not be able to tell which Clearbodies are also split for the INO gene CB/INO Cock/INO Hen = CB/INO Cocks = Ino Cocks = CB Hens = Ino Hens Anyone confused yet? Feathers Edited April 26, 200718 yr by feathers
April 27, 200718 yr Please remember there are TWO Clearbody gene. The Texas Clearbody ( the one most talk about also called Lime) is a PAR ino gene. Unlike a Ino gene that remove ALL pigment from the feathers the TC gene only removed some (like the yellowface gene) This means it works with a INO gene. ( as I have just noticed feathers has in her list ) If you got a clearbody from that mating that means that Lucifer is carrying the clearbody gene if you had visible clearbodies. It would be more likely he is carrying an Ino gene, but the only way to check that is with a breeding to a normal and getting an ino baby. The other gene is the Easley Clearbody, which removes the pigment more evenly from the body than a TC does. I have yet to dig into the inheritance's of this gene.
April 27, 200718 yr Please remember there are TWO Clearbody gene. The Texas Clearbody ( the one most talk about also called Lime) is a PAR ino gene. Unlike a Ino gene that remove ALL pigment from the feathers the TC gene only removed some (like the yellowface gene) This means it works with a INO gene. ( as I have just noticed feathers has in her list ) If you got a clearbody from that mating that means that Lucifer is carrying the clearbody gene if you had visible clearbodies. It would be more likely he is carrying an Ino gene, but the only way to check that is with a breeding to a normal and getting an ino baby. The other gene is the Easley Clearbody, which removes the pigment more evenly from the body than a TC does. I have yet to dig into the inheritance's of this gene. Why would he be carring the ino gene vs the clearbody gene - need this more explained to me Yes I remembe the Easley one I just assumed we were talking about the Texas Clearbody
April 27, 200718 yr Why would he be carring the ino gene vs the clearbody gene - need this more explained to me The odds seem to be more in favour of carrying an ino gene than a clearbody and matching that split male to another clearbody. But as you know odds and percentages are only a guide with budgies. The only true way to knowing what gene he really has is breeding to a normal and getting either a Ino or Clearbody baby. I just assumed we were talking about the Texas Clearbody Yes I do too just thought I better point out that fact. Nerwen you are a genius!! i heard that texas clearbody is dominant to ino... is that right? This is correct, again like the yellowface it only removed SOME of the pigment while an Ino gene remove all. One Ino gene matched with one TC gene (male) still leaves some pigments in place. Edited April 27, 200718 yr by Nerwen
April 27, 200718 yr so what you are saying is a clearbody gene x an ino gene would create male and female clearbodies? This is where I am confused why Lucifer wouldn't have clearbody.
April 27, 200718 yr There isn't a reason that he can't. Simply the odds again putting a clearbody hen to a male not known to be split clearbody are higher than putting a clearbody hen to a male not known to be split ino. There is no genetic reason that he can't be carrying the TC gene.
April 27, 200718 yr then how did Kaz get clearbodies out of the clutch if he wasn't carrying it or did I misinterprete what Kaz wrote
April 27, 200718 yr then how did Kaz get clearbodies out of the clutch if he wasn't carrying it or did I misinterprete what Kaz wrote I got a clearbody out of a clutch that had Lucifer ( dilute grey spangle ) as the father and Shiloh ( opaline texas clearbody ) as the mother With Curry and Laila...I got two texas clearbodys in two clutches with Curry as the texas clearbody and Laila who is ? an opaline spangle maybe clearflight ?
April 27, 200718 yr For show, the Texis Clearbody has to have clear flights. Pairing Clearbody to normal will enhance the body colour and wing markings but will darken the flights. Clearbody to Lutino will lighting the flights but will lighten the body markings and the wing markings. Breeding for show, you have to get the right balance.
April 27, 200718 yr then how did Kaz get clearbodies out of the clutch if he wasn't carrying it or did I misinterprete what Kaz wrote I got a clearbody out of a clutch that had Lucifer ( dilute grey spangle ) as the father and Shiloh ( opaline texas clearbody ) as the mother I was stating Lucifer has either the Ino or TC gene, matched to the TC hen means some TC babies appearing. With Curry and Laila...I got two texas clearbodys in two clutches with Curry as the texas clearbody and Laila who is ? an opaline spangle maybe clearflight ? I guess we should look at her again. Do you still have her? what does your club friends think she is?
April 27, 200718 yr okay so.... the ino male with a TC female can produce both male and female TC? Trying to get it straight sorry if I am so dense here today
April 27, 200718 yr then how did Kaz get clearbodies out of the clutch if he wasn't carrying it or did I misinterprete what Kaz wrote I got a clearbody out of a clutch that had Lucifer ( dilute grey spangle ) as the father and Shiloh ( opaline texas clearbody ) as the mother I was stating Lucifer has either the Ino or TC gene, matched to the TC hen means some TC babies appearing. With Curry and Laila...I got two texas clearbodys in two clutches with Curry as the texas clearbody and Laila who is ? an opaline spangle maybe clearflight ? I guess we should look at her again. Do you still have her? what does your club friends think she is? Yes, I still have Laila. She is in the large cage with Curry and the 7 babies including Mammoth. I havent taken her to the budgie club as she is "pet type" and budgie club is show types. Here she is in the breeder cage with her son PS I dont have Lucifer anymore or the Texas clearbody that cam from that clutch. The TC was same colour as Shiloh. Edited April 27, 200718 yr by Kaz
April 28, 200718 yr okay so.... the ino male with a TC female can produce both male and female TC? Trying to get it straight sorry if I am so dense here today :biggrin: Maybe it's me I thought I was being clear :ausb: Elly if you mean a Ino male (not split) then you would get Ino hens but TC males, the hen wouldn't be able to give the TC gene to her daughters so they would only get a ino gene from the dad.
April 28, 200718 yr No what I was saying originally was that Lucifer must be carrying the TC gene if along with the hen being TC if they got both female and male TC ..is that correct? But then you said Lucifer could be carring the ino and not TC gene..so I got confused :hap:
April 30, 200718 yr If the babies were male and female texas clearbodies then that seems like he would have been split for texas clearbody (since he is not a clearbody himself).. ..but if all clearbody babies were male then he may be split for ino instead. Male babies could inherit a clearbody gene from the mother and an ino gene from the father and still appear to be clearbody (but if they (male clearbody babies from Lucifer) were ever bred there would be a 50-50 chance of their female babies being clearbody or ino if they are not paired to a clearbody hen). If this was the case then Lucifer's female babies had a chance of being ino. .. basically a male texas clearbody can carry one clearbody gene and one ino gene and look the same as one with 2 clearbody genes.
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