What are the standards for a show budgie?

The dark eyed clear is called a black eyed self here in Australia show budgie clubs and here is the standards for those

 

 

BLACK EYED SELF COLOUR

 

MASK AND SPOTS: Mask to be clear, wide and deep (not cleft) extending beyond large cheek patches.

 

GENERAL BODY COLOUR: Back, rump, breasts, flanks and underparts to be a solid and even shade throughout.

 

MARKINGS: Clear ground colour is the optimum. Faint markings are found on cheeks, back of head, neck and wings.

 

EYES: Dark with a white iris ring.

 

PRIMARY FLIGHTS: Approaching body colour.

 

NOTE: Visible Opaline characteristics not permissible

Colour Cheek Patch Tail Quill Tail Feather

Yellow White suffused Neutral Neutral

grey to violet

White White suffused Neutral Neutral

grey to violet

okay I am asking because of another post called eyes that Anne and I have been chatting on.

 

Per the site I posted the DEC is to have plum eyes you put an iris ring here as the standard.

 

I always believed that the way to tell the difference between a DEC and a DF Spangle was the iris ring.

 

Also if they are called black eyed or dark eyed isn't that in it self a description of no iris ring?

 

Just asking

It is easy to see where confusion comes in about dark eyed clears or "black eyed selfs" as we call them downunder

 

as every article you read contradicts the last article re the iris rings

Quote .....Dark-Eyed Clears, from their name, are budgerigars of clear yellow or white, free from any markings and colour pigmentation. This purity of colour covers the entire body and wings. They resemble the Lutinos and Albinos except in the eye. They share a common ground with Recessive Pieds in so far as they have the solid black eye without the white iris ring; hence at times they are referred to as "Black-Eyed Clears". Unquote...

article taken from http://www.bestofbreeds.net/al-nasser/article9.htm

Edited February 21, 200718 yr by Bubbles

I agree with what you just posted but what you posted for standards is the opposite , it says white iris ring.

An aussie guy describes his DEC as this on his website

 

The Dark Eye Clears resemble the Lutino and the Albino as they are a buttercup colour in the green series, and pure white in the blue series birds. Dark Eye Clears, as their name indicates, have a clear dark plum coloured eye with no white iris ring.

http://birds.newflight.net/news.html

 

and this

If we pair a Clearflight/Recessive Pied to a Recessive Pied, we will produce a Dark-Eyed Clear. This is a bird of one colour throughout, with a black eye. The Recessive Pied has no iris ring in the eye as does the Australian Dominant Pied. If a Recessive Pied is paired to a Dominant Pied, then sometimes an odd-eyed Pied will be produced. This is a bird with one eye clear and one eye with an iris ring.

http://www.angelfire.com/ak/whisperingwings/page2.html

 

Maybe they have both.....no iris rings on some and iris rings on others.

 

And the World Budgerigar Organisation says

DARK-EYED CLEAR YELLOW

General body colour: buttercup yellow, clear and free from all markings.

Mask: buttercup yellow, clear and free from all markings.

Wings: buttercup yellow, clear and free from all markings or grizzled tickings.

Cere: fleshy pink in cocks, brown in hens.

Beak: orange coloured.

Eyes: dark without a light iris ring.

Cheek patches: white.

Primary wing flights: paler yellow than rump colour.

Primary tail feathers: paler yellow than rump colour.

Feet and legs: fleshy pink.

 

DARK-EYED CLEAR WHITE

General body colour: white, clear and free from all markings.

Mask: white, clear and free from all markings.

Wings: white, clear and free from all markings or grizzled tickings.

Cere: fleshy pink in cocks, brown in hens.

Beak: orange coloured.

Eyes: dark without a light iris ring.

Cheek patches: white.

Primary wing flights: white.

Primary tail feathers: white.

Feet and legs: fleshy pink.

Edited February 21, 200718 yr by Bubbles

this last post makes more sense the first one you have has an iris ring oh well I just wanted to see if I could get it cleared up. I will go with no iris ring :hap: as that is how I learned it.

I wonder if we breed them differently here as the Standards file I have and just read (very up to date) still states dark eye with white iris ring.

Edited February 21, 200718 yr by Bubbles

On that note, would suggest there are no show budgies in my household! :hap: :hap: :(Laughing out loud): But they are pretty cool anyhow.

In Australia the Black Eyed Self has iris rings.

Black Eyed Self

 

 

Not a good picture of the eye but this bird won best Black Eyed Self at our show last year.

That looks like a clearwing. Or am I seeing things ?

I've always seen colour on the wings Karen (seen the picture before) I put it down to the flash used.

So why does snowball have no iris ring? What does that make him?

Well I would state a Dark Eyed Clear. Since males of DEC don't get the blue grown up cere.

Two show birds I bought yesterday I thought were Black Eyed Selfs (DEC), but I have changed my mind and reclassified them as Double Factor Spangles. I have sent an email to the breeder to confirm this.

 

 

This one has very clear iris rings

 

 

 

Feathers.

So question Daz and to those. How do you tell if it is DEC or DF spangle if it is a hen with the cock it would be the blue cere but what about the hen?

So why does snowball have no iris ring? What does that make him?

 

He looks like a dark-eyed clear. Bubbles has given the Australian standard as having iris rings, and also some that state no iris rings. You might have to look very closely to see if there are any rings. I have a hen (not a DEC but regular dom pied) that you really, really have to look hard to see them. She still looks like she has little baby bird eyes but she is three years old now. I have one picture that shows them, and I had to use the flash to get her eyes to show the ring. If you look hard, you can see it:

 

 

Can you handle your bird? It's possible the iris rings are visible, but very faint. Of course, it's possible they aren't, too.

 

Lovey, the hen of any mutation will have a brown cere.

Right I know that I meant what if it is a male

Lovey that is when you look at the eye like Feathers did to see the iris ring. But if the standard for Australia for DEC to have the ring as well, then it would be down to keeping very good records of your birds

yep that is what I mean Nerwen (Laughing out loud) like if you got it from a pet shop in AU

When they state whether a bird has an iris ring or not, it is actually stating whether the iris ring is white or easily visible. All budgie, birds (and every vertebrate animal with eyes) has an iris ring. Just for some the iris ring is the same colour as the pupil and the "white" (and in some cases blacks) of their eyes.

You know, Sailorwolf, that is an excellent way to describe it!

like if you got it from a pet shop in AU

 

Then you have hit the start of 'the creek'

 

If you were unsure a test breeding to a normal would clear things up.