Isnt your budgie like all budgies....an australian budgie ?

 

For clarification we have

 

Pet type budgies...not "american" budgies

 

and show type budgies. not "english" budgies

 

all Australian Budgies

 

 

***NOTE Your question about a hinged tail might be to do with the fact that their is no straight line down his back to the tail....posture. His tail bends downwards and towards the perch.

 

Edited January 30, 200718 yr by Bubbles

Yeah I know. But then the english budgies would be Australian as well. And you can have pet english budgies. Thus I say American when I describe the smaller pet birds, that are much closer to thewild type than the english.

 

I also think the American ones were bred in America for a while, weren't they?

 

EDIT: I don't know if it is like this everywhere, or if it is meant to be, but the show birds in NZ are about as big as cockateils. They are huge. My budgies are a lot smaller than that. So it is like two seperate breeds.

 

I guess like you have american cocker spaniel and english cocker saniel. But in the end wouldn't they all be European (because of the wolf)?

Edited January 28, 200718 yr by Sailorwolf

Yeah I know. But then the english budgies would be Australian as well. And you can have pet english budgies. Thus I say American when I describe the smaller pet birds, that are much closer to thewild type than the english.

 

I also think the American ones were bred in America for a while, weren't they?

There is NO American Budgie....just pet type budgies that live and breed in America.

All budgies originated from Australia. Just like the Kangaroo and emu did. If a zoo in America or England has a kangaroo or emu, do they rename them English or American Kangaroos or emus ?

Hee hee. But Like I said about the American cocker spaniel and the english cocker, yet all dogs originate from Northern Europe. These are breeds.

 

Anywhoo. How would he do at an American pet budgie competition? : to bubbles. hehe

Edited January 28, 200718 yr by Sailorwolf

Hee hee. But Like I said about the American cocker spaniel and the english cocker. These are breeds.

 

Anywhoo. How would he do at an American pet budgie competition? : to bubbles. hehe

 

You gotta know he would do really well in a pet budgie show...he's a real handsome Dude and I would like him in my aviary

Yay. Sorry Bubbles. I can be a right booger some times. You guys are all great and I appreciate you all being honest. I'm sorry that I made some of you feel a bit akward.

Yay. Sorry Bubbles. I can be a right booger some times. You guys are all great and I appreciate you all being honest. I'm sorry that I made some of you feel a bit akward.

A bit of lively good natured debate stops things getting monotonous........as a good friend says to me...."It's all in the fun of it"

i think the difference between what people on here call american and english is the standard

 

american budgies are the same as pet budgies in every other country no difference hence there is no such thing as an american budgie just pet

 

english budgies are the same as show budgies in every other country so hence there is no such thing as an english budgie just show

 

 

 

I guess like you have american cocker spaniel and english cocker saniel. But in the end wouldn't they all be European (because of the wolf)?

 

again its just a standard there all dogs just bred for a different standard

 

(does that make sense i'm on night shift and nothing looks right to me )

Budgies were first bred for show in England. There is nothing wrong with calling them English budgies so long as we know where all budgies originate (Australia). Not all English budgies ARE show budgies. Some are pets. To some people it clears up confusion by referring to them as English so what's wrong with that? It bugs me when people "correct" this term. The comparison in English and American cocker spaniels is very legit and I think that given the fact that most literature accepts the terms "english" and "american" in reference to budgies, that we should accept them too.

 

There are also African Americans, Chinese Americans, etc. Just because someone or something originates from a certain place doesn't mean that they are the same as their ancestors years down the line. English budgies are most certainly a horse of a different color in comparison to bush budgies. American/pet style budgies are as well.

 

Point is, if someone wants to say "english" or "american" budgies, what's wrong with it? If that makes it easiest for them to distinguish the two, why not? How else are we going to know what everyone is talking about anyway? I've seen plenty of pet english budgies.

There is nothing wrong with calling them English budgies so long as we know where all budgies originate (Australia). Not all English budgies ARE show budgies. Some are pets. To some people it clears up confusion by referring to them as English so what's wrong with that? It bugs me when people "correct" this term.

 

because they are show and pet type birds whats more confusing haveing a pet bird in the uk but calling it an american budgie ? they are pet

 

it bugs me when people call them american when they are not

Edited January 28, 200718 yr by hath

But as long as you know what they're talking about I don't see the point in nitpicking. I don't mind pointing out that all budgies are technically Australian (hence why that is stated clearly on my website). Buuut, if someone is used to saying "american" I don't see why they should be corrected so long as they realize where budgies originate. The type most common in America is the "pet" type budgie so for some people it helps to call them that.

 

If we want to be fully accurate we'd have to say Australian Pet Budgies or Australian Show Budgies.

 

If we want to get even more complicated one could argue that all captive-bred budgies are English budgies because that is where they were first bred for show and mutations in general.

 

Or we could say that SOME mutations are American budgies as some mutations did originate here in America while others were originally developed in other parts of the world.

 

I think the best way to clear confusion is to just go on the terms that are widely in use BUT also make sure that people do realize that budgies are native to Australia.

 

That's just my opinion though. I don't think the terms are going to change and don't think a person should be called wrong for using them. I just don't think it does any harm saying "American" rather than "pet."

 

But like I said, that's just my opinion.

Or we could say that SOME mutations are American budgies as some mutations did originate here in America while others were originally developed in other parts of the world

 

exactly that is why its easier to say pet and show so we dont complicate things

 

But as long as you know what they're talking about I don't see the point in nitpicking

why is it nitpicking because we dont agree with you ?

 

I don't see why they should be corrected so long as they realize where budgies originate

 

you dont see why and i dont see why not

 

But like I said, that's just my opinion.

 

exactly its all about opinion yours and others and nothing to get so up tight about in my opinion

I wasn't getting uptight at all, I actually couldn't understand why everyone else was.

 

why is it nitpicking because we dont agree with you ?

I never said anyone was nitpicking at *me* I was referring to the original poster.

 

I was just stating an opinion like everyone else but all of a sudden, I'm getting uptight and angry because people don't agree with me? If I was that adamant on people agreeing I wouldn't have pointed out that it was just my opinion.

 

Call them what you want, I just didn't see the problem in others doing the same? I think it's better if I just shut up around here, I give up. If anyone else had stated an opinion (and they did) it wouldn't have been taken so badly.

 

I have tried and I give up.

I wasn't getting uptight at all, I actually couldn't understand why everyone else was.

 

 

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why is it nitpicking because we dont agree with you ?

 

I never said anyone was nitpicking at *me* I was referring to the original poster.

 

I was just stating an opinion like everyone else but all of a sudden, I'm getting uptight and angry because people don't agree with me? If I was that adamant on people agreeing I wouldn't have pointed out that it was just my opinion.

 

Call them what you want, I just didn't see the problem in others doing the same? I think it's better if I just shut up around here, I give up. If anyone else had stated an opinion (and they did) it wouldn't have been taken so badly.

 

I have tried and I give up.

 

why give up

 

 

 

If anyone else had stated an opinion (and they did) it wouldn't have been taken so badly.

your opinion wasnt taken so badly i answered Sailorwolf then you posted so i answered you as for getting up tight i apologised but the way your posts were reading i thought you were

Well..(Laughing out loud)

 

I think he is GORGEOUS!!!

 

Honestly. I feel that calling a bird english or american doesn't really matter. Sure it makes sense to some people to have an "English" or an "American" but it comes down to quality of the bird, why they have it, and the overal standards the bird meets. I have some stunning 'American" budgies, but to me, they are all pets. So does everyone else Then, there are a few (Bubbles, Hath, Daz e.t.c.) who get the show quality Australian budgies for the sole purpose of breeding gorgeous, filled out, stunning 'English", or show budgies i like to call them. They all act the same, eat the same foods, and ARE Australian budgies The only difference from Show Auatralian, or Pet Australian to me is their shape, posture, stack, and overall looks.

 

Kirby

Edited January 29, 200718 yr by Kirby

I have never known you NOT to correct something you perceive as wrong unless it is something you endorse or believe in Terri

Then you don't know me well at all. I keep very tight lips around here.

 

I don't even call them American budgies myself but I don't mind if others do. But if you guys want to correct the term, more power to you.

Thanks Kirby and Daz

 

I don't usually use the term American budgei, but I used it to differentiate from what could be a pet show budgie. Or when you describe him as a pet, people may not think that you mean his type, but rather that he is in fact a pet.

I like to see the two types of budgie, in a sense as different breeds like that of dogs and cats and other pet animals. They have a different build.

 

For instance you have the Burmese cat. These were bred in Burma. BUt if we go along the following reasoning. It and all other cats should be called African.

Same goes with humans. Some are American, some are english, but lets not forget that we all originated from Africa (as I believe). You don't really call a british person an African.

 

I don't think anyone is getting uptight here. And everyone is allowed to debate and express their opinions.

 

I think that perhaps one could say the Australian budgie of the English variety or the Australian Budgie of the American breed. I like to think of those names as breeds. Because they really are quite different in body shape and build to each other.

 

Forums are meant for discussion.

Edited January 29, 200718 yr by Sailorwolf

Thanks Kirby

 

I don't usually use the term American budgei, but I used it to differentiate from what could be a pet show budgie. Or when you describe him as a pet, people may not think that you mean his type, but rather that he is in fact a pet.

I like to see the two types of budgie, in a sense as different breeds like that of dogs and cats and other pet animals. They have a different build.

 

For instance you have the Burmese cat. These were bred in Burma. BUt if we go along the following reasoning. It and all other cats should be called African.

Same goes with humans. Some are American, some are english, but lets not forget that we all originated from Africa (as I believe). You don't really call a british person an African.

 

I don't think anyone is getting uptight here. And everyone is allowed to debate and express their opinions.

 

I think that perhaps one could say the Australian budgie of the English variety or the Australian Budgie of the American breed. I like to think of those names as breeds. Because they really are quite different in body shape and build to each other.

 

Forums are meant for discussion.

I agree with most of what you say EXCEPT the Australian Budgie of the American breed

I still hold firm to the fact that there is no american budgie breed just a smaller breed of budgie than a show budgie same as we have here in Australia and New Zealand...and we dont call our pet type budgies American

I call them parakeets, except for online -- say budgie or budgerigar and not too many people would know what you're talking about. I don't really understand why it's like that -- since budgies are only one type of parakeet. I've never seen them in pet shops as American budgies -- just parakeets. I think that the show type are the only ones I've seen referred to as budgies.

I apologise to Terri for what may have been seen as a personal "dig". I guess my real point here is...the budgie we all know and love and buy the world over from pet stores or wherever is, if not a show budgie, it is a pet type budgie no matter where in the world you live. Labelling them as American may well have come from a pet stores advertising on a cage and is now the recognised way of referring to any budgie not of the show or english type. My main aim is to educate and I am trying to refer to these lovely creatures by their correct names. If you have grown up your whole life knowing them as American budgies, how can I change that in your minds ?

You don't need to change our minds! ...I don't think I am wrong.

 

Look at it this way, like a heirarchy.

 

At the top you have parrots. Then branch off to one subtype of parrots - parakeets. This subtype includes many different types of parakeets, of which budgerigars are one type. Then under the broad heading of budgerigar, think American (small, close to wild type, flighty, etc) and English (bred as a larger bird, fits a different standard - of which size is a requirement, etc).

 

American budgies are known as "American" budgies because over here the type was kept close to the original wild budgerigar. English budgies are known as "English" because the English began to breed them to a different standard, of which now they are very different in appearance and even temperament than the wild type budgie. I think if another country had begun to breed for a different type that country would be used instead of the term English. It just happened to occur in the UK. Both American and English budgies can be pet budgies. But they are two different types of Australian budgerigar.

 

They can be bred together, but I'm sure any breeder of English budgerigars who is also showing them would likely be horrified at that thought! Wouldn't you think it would "pollute" the gene pool so to speak?

Edited January 29, 200718 yr by Rainbow

Quite frankly, I have never heard the term, "American Budgies" or "Canadian Budgies" for that matter. When my retired budgie breeder was helping me with my babies, she just referred to them as "budgies" and people sometimes ask me how my "budgies" are or occasionally how my "parakeets" are. All newspaper ads that sell them just say "budgie" as do most pet stores.

Interesting reading this... Of cause that fact of the matter is there is only one species It's called a budgerigar or grass parrot (Broad Term). Whether you want to call it an English or Americian or ...what ever other country.

 

Are they two different species.. Well I am sure that Hath would agree that we wish that but it's not the case. Can you get a pet budgerigar from the pairing of show birds? Yep sure can. They are the ones we cull and send to the pet shops for you guys to buy. Can you get a Show bird from the pairs of pet budgerigars. It is very rare but depending on the birds back ground and genetics, yes. We call it a "Stormer" i wish to breed one one day.

 

The English were forced to breed these birds... How is that? Go back to World War II. England had no seed or food[/] and had to kill most of there birds. After the war they came to Australia to ask for more birds but due to restriction of exporting birds they were turned away. They had to inbreed and line breed the birds they had. I believe the official figures were around 40 pairs of birds left after the War. The breeding program adopted due to nessacity produced these beautiful birds. The Americans never needed to inbreed or line breed as they had plenty of stocks and weren't effected as bad from the War. The terms English and American was I believed founded in America to discribe the difference in the English birds and the American birds. I have not yet found an English Publication that terms it as an English Budgerigar. It has been refered to as English Breed.

 

It is now a standard practise around the World to line breed these birds for Show. Same as most of the animals we have. But the terms have stuck. We used to have Haliquin Budgies in Australia and some still call them this. It's a term for Pieds. Both Dominant and Recessive. They are called this due to the banding that occurs. Like the make up on a Haliquin Clown.

Edited January 29, 200718 yr by Daz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgerigar

 

Modern show budgerigars, also called English budgerigars, are larger than their wild cousins, with puffy head feathers, giving them an exaggerated look.

 

For information only

I just want to point out that it's not a case of America naming the budgies after our country. In America they are called "parakeets" plain and simple. I have never seen budgies labeled as "American" in any pet store, by any breeder, or by any pet owner (in person). Most Americans have no idea what a budgerigar is. You then have to say "parakeet" to make them understand. Only very obsessed American budgie owners (generally) know that the term "parakeet" is generalized and that "budgie" is correct and specific.

 

That said, it is only online that I see budgies labeled as American but I always know what is meant by it. I assume that this term is used because the English variety is very rare in comparison. It seems to have caught on because those are the types of budgies we keep here.

 

But like I said, there ARE mutations that originated here just as there are mutations that originated elsewhere. When it comes down to it, most of the budgie varieties we keep as pets didn't originate in Australia. The species, yes. The types? No. They're still Australian birds, of course, but once you start labeling them and changing them...well, it gets complicated.

 

In aviculture, parrots are generally given some pretty odd names. The important thing is that we all know where they came from and I do have to say, that I've never seen the fact that these birds are native to Australia contested anywhere. No one is trying to say that Americans are in any way responsible for budgies. Even if we did, most of them wouldn't know what we were talking about anyway!

 

"Oh, you mean parakeets!?"

Edited January 29, 200718 yr by eterri