Hi, I am trying to get more white DECs. I have a white male DEC and was told that if I pair him with a white/blue female and then again with one of the babies, it will produce them. Is that right? If so, is inbreeding really bad for birds? I wouldn't continue to do it, I would only do it the one time to try and get DECs. I want other people's opinions. I wouldn't be ready to breed for a little while but I want to get the info now beforehand.

 

Would two white DEC budgies give birth to ALL white DEC babies? Just curious.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

SO SORRY! I thought I was in breeding genetics/colours section... how do I delete this post?

Edited January 23, 200718 yr by TigerBluEyez25

If you pair him with a recessive pied.. you could possibly get more dark eyed clears ( a better chance than if you were to pair him with one of his offspring)

 

Would two white DEC budgies give birth to ALL white DEC babies?

 

No.. I don't think so.. Dark Eyed Clears are actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. The babies would all be recessive pied -- but if (both)Clearflight was single factor, then no guarantee that the babies would all inherit the Clearflight gene.

 

DEC (recessive pied sf clearflight) x recessive pied = 50% recessive pied & 50% DEC (recessive pied sf clearflight)

Edited January 23, 200718 yr by HurdyBirdy

Thanks so much for the explanation! Definitely helped

if you cross two DEC.. you'll get... 50% DEC, 25% recessive, and 25% clearflight pied.

No. Remember to get DEC you need to have recessive pied budgies. There fore if two DEC's were crossed. All babies would be recessive pied, in the background, whether they are DEC or not. Sl you can't get a Clearflight pied out of that lot, unless a DF clearflight pied combine with recessive pied does something weird.

I thought to actually get a DEC, you need both gene to occur in the same bird.. therefore a clearflight pied and also a recessive....

 

Ummmm wouldn't that makes DEC have the genes... Clearflight (CF)/Recessive ®??? that's why they are the way they are? so if you put CF/R x CF/R together you'd get... CF/CF, CF/R, R/CF, R/R...

 

Unless the DEC genes actually works differently....

According to what I have you will get 75% DEC and 25% Recessive Pieds if you have a 2 Dark Eyed Clears with single factor clear gene.

 

 

 

d-f clearflight pied budgie split for rec. pied and a recessive pied budgie

would give you a higher % of 50% DEC and 50% Clearflight pieds

 

A dark-eyed clear budgie (with s-f clearflight) and a recessive pied budgie again is 50% DEC BUT 50% recessive pieds

 

df = double factor

 

In fact go to http://www.budgieplace.com/c_dec.html and click on genetics you can read all about it :budgiedance:

Thanks for all the helpful info! So to get DEC babies, I would need either a recessive pied, clearflight, or another DEC? I'm just hoping I understand correctly...

To get another DEC you need to have a bird that is at least split for recessive pied -- otherwise it's not possible. A recessive pied would work, a DEC (a DEC is recessive pied) would work.. any bird split for recessive pied may work. If it was me.. I'd go with a recessive pied split, even though it may not produce the highest number of Dark eyed clears.

To get DEC I always believe you still needed two Rec. pied gene and one clear flight (dutch) pied gene to show as DEC.

 

I would use a rec. pied hen.

here are the percentage of getting DEC... I sat down and worked it all out....

 

 

SF or DF Clearflight x Recessive - 0%

 

SF or DF Clearflight x Normal Split recessive - 0%

 

SF Clearflight split recessive x recessive - 25% DEC

 

SF Clearflight Split recessive x Normal split recessive - 12.50% DEC

 

DF Clearflight split recessive x recessive - 50% DEC

 

DF Clearflight split recessive x Normal split recessive - 25% DEC

 

SF Clearflight split recessive x SF Clearflight split recessive - 18.75% DEC

 

SF Clearflight split recessive x DF Clearflight split recessive - 25% DEC

 

DF Clearflight split recessive x DF Clearflight split recessive - 25% DEC

 

DEC (SF Clearflight gene) x SF Clearflight - 0% DEC

 

DEC (SF Clearflight gene) x recessive - 50% DEC

 

DEC (SF Clearflight gene) x Normal split Recessive - 25% DEC

 

DEC (DF Clearflight gene) x Normal Split Recessive - 50% DEC (SF clearflight gene)

 

DEC (DF Clearflight gene) x SF Clearflight split recessive - 37.50% DEC

 

DEC (SF clear flight gene) x DF Clearflight split recessive - 50% DEC

 

DEC (SF Clearflight gene) x DEC (SF Clearflight gene) - 75% DEC

 

DEC (SF Clearflight gene) x DEC (DF Clearflight gene) - 100% DEC

 

DEC (DF Clearflight gene) x DEC (DF Clearflight gene) - 100% DEC

Edited January 25, 200718 yr by Cheeta

Wow. Very good.

Awesome, thanks!

no problems.

nice work Cheeta

http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/prbsinc..._eyed_clear.htm

 

http://www.sqbba.com/breeding_expectations.htm#D

 

Dark-eyed Clear (sf) x Dark-eyed Clear (sf) =

50% Dark-eyed Clear (sf)

25% Dark-eyed Clear (df)

25% Recessive Pied