chick #3 has white cheeks, I know white cheek spots can be caused by the spangle gene, but how about a lack of barring behind the eye?

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Edited November 15, 200618 yr by Dingo

he's cute and i have no idea, would be nice to see what that is

I never heard that about the cheek spots but he looks like he is opaline could it be caused by that and the dominant pied gene together

she's a YFT2 dominant pied opaline(probly spangle as well) hen, Sire is an opaline australian dominant pied sky blue, dam is a YFT2 clearflight dominant pied spangle(poorly marked) greywing.

 

I am just curious if maybe this isn't cause by the two different pieds?

she is aweful cute and I may just keep her.

the lack of bar makrings behind the eye are from the pied gene.

 

Are you meaning about the white cheek as in one side is the normal blue and the other is white?? This is also becuase of the pied gene.

 

I meant the lack of barring, I've never seen a dominant pied marked the way she is, I've seen them with a pied patch that goes from one eye to the other but she has some barring that divides the pied patch into 3rds(is that is indeed what is causing the bare facial area), I will try to get a better picture with my film camera and post when I get the film developed.

there is a picture of one on this site scroll down just a tinch and you will see the yellow green double factor dominant pied marked like this.

I think the patchy barring is due to the pied gene. If you remember, doublefactor dominant pieds usually carry even less barring than what your bird has. If by spots you mean the lack of them, don't worry about that either. Many baby birds are born without proper spots on the mask. Whatever they will have will come in at the first molt. Some pieds never get any spots at all. I have one that has absolutely no spots whatsoever, and another one that the spots only came in on one side. The cheek patches as nerwen said can be blue, violet, grey, or white. They can also come in any combination with the white. Your baby bird is beautiful.

"chick #3 has white cheeks, I know white cheek spots can be caused by the spangle gene, but how"

 

I didn't know that. Is it true? There might be hope for me yet if my Sherbet carries the spangle gene. she has white cheek spots.!

I missed that one...I didn't know that either. I thought they were from the pied gene in a pied bird.

no luck if she was a spangle you would see it (Laughing out loud)

as for the white cheeks I have never really heard an answer on that one.

 

Rainbow that is how Pretty is one day he has a little spot and the next day GONE (Laughing out loud).

no luck if she was a spangle you would see it lol

as for the white cheeks I have never really heard an answer on that one.

 

Rainbow that is how Pretty is one day he has a little spot and the next day GONE lol.

 

lol, at least he has spots sometimes! Look at Blueberry in my signature - not a spot on her! And sweet Sky is lopsided.

 

I love how the pied gene throws in the unexpected.

spot and it is alittle teardrop he looks like your Blueberry most of the time you can see in the siggy that side never has a spot it is the other side . Merlin though has a nice necklace of spots nice round and spaced apart. In the siggy he was still young so that is why it looks that way. And he is a dominant pied. LOVE that gene.

well from what I have gathered from this forum my hen is indeed a poorly marked spangle, whether the white cheek spots are cause by pied or spangle I dont know, but I went back and found the post about my hens cheek spots from back in april.

 

here are a few quotes from that thread;

 

dilutes get a violet looking cheek patch.

 

Dark blue can sometimes mean they carry the violet gene.

 

White patchs can mean dominant pied, a mix of white and blue feathers are matched with spangles. Umm Yeah you can get a while range of different cheek patches.

 

 

There is definately spangle there.

Spangle Cheek markings are discribed as Violet Suffussion Silver tolerated. which means Violet with silver edges...i think.

 

I would say a yellowfaced opaline skyblue spangle. Nerwen your thoughts ?????

 

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....wtopic=9295&hl=

 

anyway about the chicks pied patch, I know I have seen DF dom. pieds with recessive pied markings, but is it possible to get a DF dom pied from australian dom. pied and clearflight dom. pied?, I am sure that a bird can carry both genes but what would that be visually? Chick #3 is mostly white with a few blue flecks on her abdomen, a blue rump(thats just between the flights around the oil gland) and a blue bib across her chest and back.

Spangle have a mix of white and blue in their cheek patches. Pieds can sometimes get one white patch while the other stays blue ( like my two pieds)

if they carried 2 dominant pied genes wouldn't that make them a double factor pied?

no luck if she was a spangle you would see it (Laughing out loud) :hap:

as for the white cheeks I have never really heard an answer on that one.

 

Rainbow that is how Pretty is one day he has a little spot and the next day GONE (Laughing out loud).

 

Lovey!......But I really want it to mean what I want it to mean>>>>> We all need some illusions in our life don't we? Tell me some sweet lies why don't you! :(Laughing out loud):

Shell

:hap: okay fine she is a spangle in disguise and I am the president of the US :fear

Thank you very much Microsoft Corporation ®. President. You can be sure of my vote!!

The bird I am talking about is in my sig. She is the yellow one and has No markings at all axcept for faint markings around the back of her neck. :(Laughing out loud): So her spangle marks are not in disguise, they are simply invisible!

:(Laughing out loud): :fear :angel1: :hap:

Love

Shell

there you go :hap:

Spangle have a mix of white and blue in their cheek patches. Pieds can sometimes get one white patch while the other stays blue ( like my two pieds)

 

I thought a bird could not be split to spangle? The mix of white and blue occurs in pieds as well. Blueberry is like that, so was Cloud, Sunny, and Patches.

 

anyway about the chicks pied patch, I know I have seen DF dom. pieds with recessive pied markings, but is it possible to get a DF dom pied from australian dom. pied and clearflight dom. pied?, I am sure that a bird can carry both genes but what would that be visually? Chick #3 is mostly white with a few blue flecks on her abdomen, a blue rump(thats just between the flights around the oil gland) and a blue bib across her chest and back.

Yes, you will get DF dominant pieds from and australian dominant and a clearflight dominant. This is the mix I got my chicks from, and had 2 DF dominants out of 9 babies. You will also get some normals (I got 2 of those also). If there are any hidden genes on both sides, they can come out as well. My 2 normals were fullbodied greywings, and neither parent was a greywing.

Yes, you will get DF dominant pieds from and australian dominant and a clearflight dominant. This is the mix I got my chicks from, and had 2 DF dominants out of 9 babies. You will also get some normals (I got 2 of those also). If there are any hidden genes on both sides, they can come out as well. My 2 normals were fullbodied greywings, and neither parent was a greywing.

 

I got a normal and 3 pieds, you can see pics of them in the breeders chat forum the post is "pics of my four"- http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12199

so what does a DF dom. australian pied/clearflight pied look like? would it look the same as any other DF dom pied?

anyway you just made me think of something.. but I guess that'll have to be another thread. :hap:

Yes your right they can't be split for spangle, I was just clearing up the comment on spangle cheek spots ( or at least I thought I was :hap: )

I reckon that you should keep that little chick as it could be a new mutation, as those white cheeks are very even. You never know. Reminds me of an eastern Rosella.

 

Yes, you will get DF dominant pieds from and australian dominant and a clearflight dominant. This is the mix I got my chicks from, and had 2 DF dominants out of 9 babies. You will also get some normals (I got 2 of those also). If there are any hidden genes on both sides, they can come out as well. My 2 normals were fullbodied greywings, and neither parent was a greywing.

 

I got a normal and 3 pieds, you can see pics of them in the breeders chat forum the post is "pics of my four"- http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12199

so what does a DF dom. australian pied/clearflight pied look like? would it look the same as any other DF dom pied?

anyway you just made me think of something.. but I guess that'll have to be another thread.

 

 

Those babies of yours are so cute!!!

 

Here are pics of the 2 DF dominants I got.

Front View:

 

Back View:

 

They were marked very similarly.