I bought 4 budgies over the weekend Bart, Barney, Blossom and Belle.

 

Bart, I beleive is light mauve/grey greywing cock

Barney, Violet full body greywing cock

Blossom, Skyblue recessive pied hen

And.....Belle, Rainbow??, Golden face??

Any Ideas????

I think she's a rainbow - rainbow is yf2, opaline, clearwing (or maybe it's dilute)...which if my memory is right then your hen is a rainbow.

Very pretty birds.

 

Could you take a better picture of Bart he doesn't look mauve in that picture. Does he have the blue running through his wings? It looks like it possibly could be an opaline too.

 

Barney I agree he is gorgeous.

 

Blossom I am leaning toward a dominant pied and here is why. She has a bit of coloring up by her neck and her wings patterns are very uniformed vs a recessive where they are splotchy like my Pretty in my siggy. How old is Blossom? Does she have any iris rings developed yet?

 

Belle, Rainbow would know for sure better then I if it is a rainbow. I would say Goldenface YF2, opaline clearwing.

I was thinking the same thing as Lovey, about Blossom too

my opinions..

 

Bart... mauve dilute, but a better picture would help a lot.

Barney... agree...violet greywing

Blossom... agree...skyblue recessive pied

Belle... goldenface opaline clearwing... if that is what rainbow is, then she is a rainbow.. hehehe.. not very up on rainbows.

Hi lovey,

Here are some more photos of Blossom. The reason I thought Blossom would be a recessive pied is the fact her cere is crusty and chocolate brown so I thought that this meant that she would be mature, and with the lack of iris she would be a recessive I didn't really think about markings (still new when it comes to genetics! )

 

 

Sorry I forgot to put these pictures of Bart, here they are (they are a bit blurry, need to charge batteries!)

I think to be a 'rainbow' they need to be a pied as well... but not 100% sure on that.

Bart looks like a greywing violet not mauve

How old is Blossom? She looks young as she still has her bars on her head. Their ceres can go into breeding condition pretty young so that is not an indicator of anything really.

Edited November 14, 200618 yr by lovey

I'm thinking the same about Bart now with the new pics.

I'm still going to say that Blossom is a recessive pied.

AAAAHHHHH I'm confused, what other indicators are there apart from the cere show whether a budgie is in breeding condition? And how young can budgies be when they go into breeding condition? (I know that budgies should be around 1 year before breeding).

Normally ceres change around 4 months

Young budgies can go into breeding condition doesn't mean they are ready to be breed or mentally ready. You are correct about 1 year, most breeders will even wait until 15 months.

 

The other way is are the bars on the head the more molts they go through the bars will disappears on most birds there are those expections of course.

 

Once a bird is around 8 months or older it is hard to tell their age because they age gracefully and don't change much visually as they age.

She looks a lot like my Quee

Blossom has way too much colour on her back to be a recessive. I say Dom pied.

 

Can I steal Belle and Quee please. They are both gorgeous. I want them.

Normally ceres change around 4 months

Young budgies can go into breeding condition doesn't mean they are ready to be breed or mentally ready. You are correct about 1 year, most breeders will even wait until 15 months.

 

Thanks for clearing that up Lovey, as I'm not sure what Blossom is I will wait for a while before I think about breeding from her.

 

She looks a lot like my Quee

Yes Albe I think Belle does look quite a bit like your beautiful Quee

 

Can I steal Belle and Quee please. They are both gorgeous. I want them.

I think you are a bit too far away! But thanks for the compliment I think thay are too

Blossom has way too much colour on her back to be a recessive. I say Dom pied.

 

Blossom looks exactly like my Chase, except Chase is mauve instead of blue. have a look at this thread for her photo.

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....opic=12533&st=0

 

Chase is around 9 months old I think... and no iris rings. and also her parents were both recessive pied.

and there is goes the recessive vs dominant debate

Anna you will have to keep us posted on Blossom as she grows up and lets us know if she ever gets her iris rings

Time will tell....... I will keep everyone posted1

The official definition of a rainbow budgie is a yellowface opaline whitewing blue. I think Belle may be a Rainbow. Her wings look grey, but it is very difficult to get a whitewing with actual white wings. I think she is a poorly marked whitewing, and I base my opinion in part on the color of her tail. It is close to normal, and whitewings have normally colored tails. Clearflights have white tails to go with their white wings. I have a link to a rainbow breeder's site, but it is not up now, so will post it later if you want it. But Belle looks similar to many birds on the site.

 

I think Blossom is a dominant pied. She is also opaline, which may be causing some confusion. You may have to look closely for iris rings, as they are not always readily apparent. My Blueberry will be 3 in February, and she still appears to have baby black button eyes (so cute!). But she does have barely-there iris rings, and I am positive she is dominant pied.

Thank you Rainbow for the definition of a Rainbow! I would also love to have a look at the Rainbow breeders link when it is up. I will also have a good look at Blossoms eyes and I will post if their are any changes

Here is the link.

 

http://www.vikingswain.freeserve.co.uk/

 

Hopefully it comes up soon. I'd like to look at them all again too.

The official definition of a rainbow budgie is a yellowface opaline whitewing blue. I think Belle may be a Rainbow. Her wings look grey, but it is very difficult to get a whitewing with actual white wings. I think she is a poorly marked whitewing, and I base my opinion in part on the color of her tail. It is close to normal, and whitewings have normally colored tails. Clearflights have white tails to go with their white wings. I have a link to a rainbow breeder's site, but it is not up now, so will post it later if you want it. But Belle looks similar to many birds on the site.

 

I think Blossom is a dominant pied. She is also opaline, which may be causing some confusion. You may have to look closely for iris rings, as they are not always readily apparent. My Blueberry will be 3 in February, and she still appears to have baby black button eyes (so cute!). But she does have barely-there iris rings, and I am positive she is dominant pied.

 

I thought I read somewhere that whitewing blue is what they used to call clearwings in the blue series, and yellowing green in the green series. Not sure where I read it..

 

with Blossom, I don't see the opaline in her.. I do see the V shape, but there's no body colour there, just white. I didn't think that made her opaline does it???

Opaline is a striping pattern mutation. It reverses the striping pattern on the head feathers so that there are thicker white areas and thinner black stripes. Another feature which adds to the beauty of this mutation is that the body feather color runs through the stripes on the back of the neck and down through the wing feathers. Opaline budgies' tails are characteristically patterned with light and colored areas running down the tail feather. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....picture=12508&st=20

 

From what I understand on the above statement is that what makes the Opaline is the striping pattern which would be the V and ADDED feature is the coloring running through the wings.

 

according to this article on the bottom section what you are saying Cheeta is correct about white and clear wings. http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/specialist/cl...freemantle.html what is interesting is that there are single factor and double factor whitewings.

with Blossom, I don't see the opaline in her.. I do see the V shape, but there's no body colour there, just white. I didn't think that made her opaline does it???

 

Blossom is yellow and seagreen...she doesn't have any white. Which picture are you looking at?

 

**edit**

Oh duh, you mean Anna's Blossom and not mine! **blushes furiously and hopes no one really reads above posting**

 

Cheeta, the absence of any barring on her back, combined with the reversed barring on her head made me say Anna's Blossom is opaline. The barring on her head is a lighter shade than the black on her wings, if she were not opaline the barring on her head would be the same shade.

Edited November 21, 200618 yr by Rainbow

I don't think she is opaline either. Pieds can easly loss baring in all sor tof places, the fact that I can see no body colour on other parts of the wings would lead me to think the patch has nothing to do with the opaline gene.

Nerwen, I think you are right. I thought I saw blue edging on the first pictures, but after really looking at them again I'm thinking it is just my aging eyes...getting older is just a bear.