Posted May 30, 200619 yr My pair, Chico and Ariel have paired up quite some time ago. After 2 prvious recent clutches (both about 2 months ago), they have started 'mating' again. This time, they look successful, unlike last time, the male NEVER mounted her properly... So, if the eggs do hatch, whenever she lays them, which the forst looks like it will any day now, what would i get? Chico- Yellow faced blue type II, opaline recessive pied (Father was yellow faced blue type II, mom was greywing skyblue recessive pied) Ariel- violet cinnamon white recessive pied (Pet store purchase, dont know parents) Would i be able to get white pieds? Since Chicos mom was one, and Areil is one? I HOPE SOO!!!, Here are pics IS Ariel opaline aswell? http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/pet...nt=MVC-015F.jpg http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/pet...nt=MVC-006F.jpg http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/pet...nt=MVC-005F.jpg (the white pied cinnamon hen on left, not my male Kirby (Laughing out loud) ) Does she look opaline? Thanks! Kirby :hap:
May 30, 200619 yr First of all Chico isn't opaline You will get 50% yellowface 2 and 50% normal (if Arial is a double factor yellowface you would get the same ratio) All your babies will be recessive pied - 100% No greens Chico looks like a cobalt and I am guessing that Ariel is a cobalt violet. In that case you will get 25% mauve - 50% cobalt and 25% sky blue (If Chico is a sky blue you will get 50% cobalt and 50% sky blue.) No opalines, unless Chico is split in that case yo will get half of your baby girls opaline and all the rest normal (half of the boys will be split). If Ariel is a single factor violet cobalt then doing a dihybrid cross of violet with dark factors you will get: 12.5% mauve 12.5% mauve single factor violet=> violet 25% violets (cobalt single factor violet) Adding up the two violet => 37.5% violets 25% sky blues ( half of those with a single violet factor) 25% cobalts You will get no cinamons, but your males will be split for it. ( unles Chioco is split for it and in that case you will get 50% cinammon (2% girls 25% boys). There, hope that helps
May 30, 200619 yr Author Thanks Sailor wolf...but Chico is opaline..how can you not see that??? HEs CLEARLY AN OPALINE!!!! Hes got the v on the back, with darker wings, and lighter markings up to his head I dont know if this changes anything, but i know he is opaline! Thats what everyone tells/told me, even Pass (Laughing out loud)! So...(Laughing out loud) Did you get them mixed up maybe then? Chico is yellow MALE, Ariel is white female, (Laughing out loud). I th ink y ou got mixed up then... look at this line, i think your confused, (Laughing out loud) "(if Arial is a double factor yellowface you would get the same ratio)" as well as this one "No opalines, unless Chico is split in that case yo will get half of your baby girls opaline and all the rest normal (half of the boys will be split)." Chicos the only yellow face, Ariel is white...(Laughing out loud) . Chico isnt coablt, hes a yellow faced blue type II, meaning he was brigth blue, now hes greenish (Laughing out loud), so thanks for the guesses, but im not sure if these changes will affect the colours ill get ALSO- Ariel laid 1st egg today!!! ITs quite big, and compared to her others is brown, and bigger.... It also looks like to have some patterning on it, with a beige colour like swirls almost I dont think this ones fertile..but im NOT touching ANY of them until day 10-15, unlike last times when i touched them everyday 1-2 times Thanks anyways Sailor Wolf! Kirby
May 30, 200619 yr I agree with Sailorwolf, they are not opaline. http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...l#recessivepied this is an opaline bird;
May 30, 200619 yr Author (Laughing out loud)!!! Pass told me wrong then!!!!, CALL THE COPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahah, just kidding... Here are new pics of the birds... Chico is yellow pied, Ariel is white pied, Oscar is violet spangle, Tango is dilute spangle, Kirby is yellow faced blue, and Belle is skyblue normal ENJOY! http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e104/pet...w%20bird%20pic/ Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr Author Anyone? Please help me?!?!? There on 2nd egg today! Those are new pics above in the link i posted on May 31 2006 at 08:43 . . . I still think Chicos opaline. ALL of his siblings were, as well as some skyblues ended up being opaline in the clutch before his Take a closer look guys, im not lying, i think he is! His mom was opaline greywinged skyblue recessive pied, and his dad was a yellow faced blue type II normal. . . Thanks guys! Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr hey Kirby since Nerwen can't get on I e'd her your question, I am sure she will get back with me on your question .
June 1, 200619 yr Author What question was that lovey??? I forget (Laughing out loud)... So you dont know about the possibly baby colours ill get Lovey (Laughing out loud) Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr I agree I don't think opaline what makes you say that? For I see you will get normal yellow faced unless the normal is carrying the recessive pied gene. What results where you looking for? Again I sent to Nerwern for her answers too. Your questions from the first post about what you will get and if she is opaline, and yes I put my answers too. side note I see that you said one of the grandparents was split to recessive pied it would be a 50% chance I believe that your normal could be carrying the pied gene. And if all your babies comes out normal don't discard that he doesn't it may not show but then again they may all come out pied.
June 1, 200619 yr Author Pardon... What normal are you talking about? Chico the male? His mom was a white recessive pied, so i was HOPING for white pieds aswell? Since Ariel is, and Chicos mom was... Is there a chance, if so how great? And i think your getting confused! I am NOT breeding normal! Both are receesive pieds! NO NORMALS!!! The yellow pied male, and white pied hen in my photobucket acount are who im breeding! NO NORMALS!!!!! ALSO, Im talking about if the yellow pied is opalined, the male, NOT the white female. You put "what you will get and if she is opaline, and yes I put my answers too." I dont think my white hen is opaline, im asking about yellow pied male! Not white pied female! (Laughing out loud) I think hes opaline becuase: -Pass told me he was a while back -his siblings were all -he looks opaline, with light face markings on his head, like opalines have -the wing patterns and how his mom was opaline, and about 10 out of 15 babies from that pair opaline, inclduing ALL his direct siblings... Are you sure he isnt? If not, then what would he still create:? yellow faced blue type II recessive pied cock (Parents were opaline greywinged skyblue recessive pied hen, and his dad was a yellow faced blue type II normal) x to a white recessive pied cinnamon violet hen (her parents were unknown, pet store purchase 2 years ago). . . ? Kirby Edited June 1, 200619 yr by Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr Yes I was confused...so the first 2 links I didn't throughly read 3rd link where it say not the blue one . Sorry about that. What sailorwolf answered is, is what I agree. I don't believe it is an pied is opaline. And I will let you know what Nerwen says.
June 1, 200619 yr Author (Laughing out loud), okay! Are you sure? Ill get new pics soon, possibly tonight okay? I think he is one Or at least Pass is making me think he for the past months/years I always thought he was though, even when he was newborn... And there eggs seem bigger than their other infertile ones! They seem to have colour, either a brownish, or a pinkish, or a beige hue to them! The others one the pair had that were infertile were BRIGHT white... Is this a good sign? They are also bigger as i mentioned, and look like theyd have babies in them, compared to her other eggs. The weird thing is, i put one of her old eggs that is now DEFINATELY infertle, in the box with the 2 new ones...and shes still sitting on it! So, i dont think shes got the sense of telling which ones are fertile, and which arent, like many of you breeders say So, the two new ones may be fertile, and i think yet REALLY hope they are, but if not, shes acting like they are (Laughing out loud) Im NOT going to touch these new ones until at LEAST day 15, i dont want to make as much contact as what i hjad with her prvious eggs. I want them to hatch it they will, or not if they are just not meant to be But i hope they do! Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr let's see what Nerwen says she will probably get back to me in a day or 2 , calm down Kirby I know you are excited I can feel it through your post , everything will be fine!!
June 1, 200619 yr Author haha lovey! Thanks! I hope it will! and i hope i get at least one baby! A male, if so, im keeping him for ssure, and his name will be Diego, Merlin ( I LOVE IT!!! (Laughing out loud) lovey ), Taz, Mango, orSkylar Kirby
June 1, 200619 yr your welcome to take Merlin , I don't mind. I like Diego reminds me of Ice Age loved that movie.
June 2, 200619 yr Author HAHAHA, Diego is in that movie? I just like it becuase i went to San Diego, and LOVED it, and it reminds me of a nice sunny hot spot! Whos Diego? A mamoth, or one of the lil aquirrel things? (Laughing out loud) ps-thanks for letting me use Merlin, but i think ill name him Diego ;) Kirby
June 2, 200619 yr he was the saber tooth tiger in the movie, oh I meant Merlin for another bird since you had it out there.
June 2, 200619 yr From Nerwen: your right she isn't opaline. and yes there is a chance for white pieds (white face and blue patchs) becuase Chico is only carrying one YF gene and one normal blue gene. I have my fingers crossed this time.
June 3, 200619 yr Author Thanks lovey! Thats very kind of you to let Nerwen see whats going on in the forum Good on ya mate (Laughing out loud) YAYAYAYYAYAYAAYAYYAYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! White pied= my FAVOURITE PIED!!!!! They are adorable! I had only one white pied baby (Chicos 2nd oldest brother) but i sold him with the oldest yellow pied, becuase they were both ready to go, and i didnt want the oldest baby to leave home alone So, i kept Chico, the youngest baby, and was my lil buddy Thanks Nerwen, and Lovey! So i can get white pieds, and yellow pieds? Which one do you think more of? PLEASE SAY WHITES! (Laughing out loud). They have 2nd egg as of tonight, 3rd will/should be here tomrrow YAYAYAAY!!! I HOPE she lays at least 5, with at least one baby hatching this time! Thanks for encouragment Nerwen! Kirby
June 3, 200619 yr Hi Kirby, You say that I told you he was opaline but as far as i can clearly remember, you never asked me about the colors of your bird on any forum or e-mail. And if you did, can you please remind me where? the post would still be there and other members should clearly remember too. I might have made a mistake, but I am 100% sure I didn't. thanks Edited June 3, 200619 yr by pass
June 3, 200619 yr Kirby will send on your message to Nerwen & yours too Bea. Nerwen says she needs a budgie fix
June 3, 200619 yr Author Pass, i was 80% sure it was you... Maybe im wrong, (Laughing out loud), i dont know... I think it was on the other forum (justbudgies) but it maybe wasnt even you. I was sure it was thoguh, ill try to get link... Kirby
June 4, 200619 yr Pass, i was 80% sure it was you... Maybe im wrong, (Laughing out loud), i dont know... I think it was on the other forum (justbudgies) but it maybe wasnt even you. I was sure it was thoguh, ill try to get link... Kirby yes Kirby, do that. Hi bea.
June 6, 200619 yr Kirby, what I posted in my first post is whhat you will get. It is correct. I did not get your two birds confused. Chico is not an opaline, because he does not have any of his body colour on his wings. I'm doing genetics as part of my vet exam, so I do know a bit about it. Also just because chico's mum and siblings are opaline doesn't mean he is. You said his father was a normal? Then chico will be split for opaline and you should get the ratio I proposed in my first post if chico was split. Remember, opaline is recessive. It is generally the father who determines what kinds he will get as babies in regards sex linked chromosomes.
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