May 30, 200619 yr Yep we are almost exactly 12 hours ahead of you Nathan. I don't normally go to bed before midnight, but I have had a big day working on some leadlights and more planned for tomorrow. I am happy about the yellow baby DFS and also the other spangles. Since the normals will be split for spangle too, there's no excuse not to keep the lot but we will see. -quote budgiebird Spangle is dominant. You will not get any normals split for spangle. Because if they are split for spangle, they are spangle. Split means they are heterozygous or single factor. And as you know SF spangle is a spangle. If the spangle allele is present, it will show. Normals are recessive i.e. they do not carry the spangle gene. Genetics is part of the vet paper
May 30, 200619 yr Author Yep we are almost exactly 12 hours ahead of you Nathan. I don't normally go to bed before midnight, but I have had a big day working on some leadlights and more planned for tomorrow. I am happy about the yellow baby DFS and also the other spangles. Since the normals will be split for spangle too, there's no excuse not to keep the lot but we will see. -quote budgiebird Spangle is dominant. You will not get any normals split for spangle. Because if they are split for spangle, they are spangle. Split means they are heterozygous or single factor. And as you know SF spangle is a spangle. If the spangle allele is present, it will show. Normals are recessive i.e. they do not carry the spangle gene. Genetics is part of the vet paper Thanks sailorwolf...I just read that last night and took it on board.....about spangles not being a split....but forgot to ammend my other posting. Hope things are going well with your study :hap:
May 30, 200619 yr Hey Shawna...."poorly marked" only matter to people who show budgies, eh? Not to us who love them for all their little ways. I think, with the babies, I got two girls and one boy They are beautiful. I really like Honey's colouring. Edited May 30, 200619 yr by Shawna
May 30, 200619 yr Are you going to name a blue spangled male Diego for me Karen? (Laughing out loud), PLEASEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ill check e-mails now, byes! Wait, its only 3:50am there, (Laughing out loud) i just got out of school at 2:50pm here!!! Ill e-mail you on Ariels progress, good news!!!! Kirby
May 31, 200619 yr Author Are you going to name a blue spangled male Diego for me Karen? lol, PLEASEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ill check e-mails now, byes! Wait, its only 3:50am there, lol i just got out of school at 2:50pm here!!! Ill e-mail you on Ariels progress, good news!!!! Kirby The skyblue spangle boy is called Diego and the girl is called Molly....need one more name for the other budgie.
May 31, 200619 yr Author NEW PHOTOS ******* double factor spangle this baby same as first two green normal Edited May 31, 200619 yr by budgiebird
May 31, 200619 yr Author Really cool. I love the way double factor works. I am excited about these blue and yellow spangle bubbies too. I have also Melon and Jonas about to have a hatching and she sits on 6 eggs ( both spangles ) and another spangle pair ( Jazz and Slinkie )....no eggs yet. Interesting results from spangles. Here is Jazz and Slinkie. Their debut...haven't been on before Jazz Slinkie
May 31, 200619 yr They are just sooooo gorgeous!! The three spangle baby is going to look like one of mine. Although mine has gone a bit green since the molt!! Sooooooo are you too busy for me to come visit sometimes?!?!?! (Laughing out loud) edit...Slinky and Jazz are just gorgeous!! wonder if you'll get baby blinks from them!?!?!?! Edited May 31, 200619 yr by Cheeta
May 31, 200619 yr Author They are just sooooo gorgeous!! The three spangle baby is going to look like one of mine. Although mine has gone a bit green since the molt!! Sooooooo are you too busy for me to come visit sometimes?!?!?! lol edit...Slinky and Jazz are just gorgeous!! wonder if you'll get baby blinks from them!?!?!?! You can visit anytime Cheeta
May 31, 200619 yr Yellowface is like spangle they can't be split because yellow face is dominant, if they are a double factor yellowface then they appear visually white faced, similar to the double factor spangle where they have no markings.
May 31, 200619 yr Author But Nerwen said ......QUOTE "I think she (Mum) is split for yellowface blue and also all the boys will be carring the opaline gene from her. ".....now I am confused
May 31, 200619 yr well then, but I thought they can't be split for a dominant gene, just ask her what I said is right and she can correct it and you can post it coming back to my thoughts maybe she is saying mom is split for blue because she is green she wasn't talking about the yellowface gene??
May 31, 200619 yr Author well then, but I thought they can't be split for a dominant gene, just ask her what I said is right and she can correct it and you can post it coming back to my thoughts maybe she is saying mom is split for blue because she is green she wasn't talking about the yellowface gene?? Thats what I was thinking but the more I read the more I get confused here........ i.e. quote 1. Goldenface Blue 2. Yellowface Blue Mutant 2 3. Yellowface Blue Mutant 1 4. Whiteface Blue Green can be split for any one of the four mutations - but for only one, otherwise it would not be a visual Green at all. Goldenface Blue ( can be split, or carry a partner gene of any one of the three mutations below it in the pile. If a © or (d) gene partners the ( gene, the visual result will be the same, or very, very, similar to the double factor Goldenface Blue bird. and QUOTE "At present, some people call a Green bird which carries one mutant gene of the allelic series mentioned, a Yellowface Green, when they should rightly call it a Light (or Dark, etc) Green split Yellowface Mutant 1 Blue (or Mutant 2, or Goldenface Blue). All Blue series birds, whether they be Yellowface, Goldenface or Whiteface, are recessive to Green, so a visually Green bird can be split for Yellowface Blue Mutant 1, Yellowface Blue Mutant 2, or Goldenface Blue, in exactly the same way as it can be for ordinary Whiteface Blue. A Blue bird of any of the mutations mentioned, when bred with another Blue bird of the same or any other Blue mutation will produce a Blue result, whether it be Yellowface, Goldenface or Whiteface." Edited May 31, 200619 yr by budgiebird
May 31, 200619 yr but that doesn't answer the question if the yellowface gene can be split, Yellowface Blue Mutant 1 - this would be the Type 1 that we say Yellowface Blue Mutant 2 this would be the Type 2 Goldenface Blue - that would be more yellow golden yellowface but they don't mention the doublefactors which are visually white but it doesn't explain how the yellowface gene works... an article http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/peter/yface01.html
May 31, 200619 yr Author but that doesn't answer the question if the yellowface gene can be split, Yellowface Blue Mutant 1 - this would be the Type 1 that we say Yellowface Blue Mutant 2 this would be the Type 2 Goldenface Blue - that would be more yellow golden yellowface but they don't mention the doublefactors which are visually white but it doesn't explain how the yellowface gene works... an article http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/peter/yface01.html What about this part of the quote above................a visually Green bird can be split for Yellowface Blue Mutant 1, Yellowface Blue Mutant 2, or Goldenface Blue, in exactly the same way as it can be for ordinary Whiteface Blue. A Blue bird of any of the mutations mentioned, when bred with another Blue bird of the same or any other Blue mutation will produce a Blue result, whether it be Yellowface, Goldenface or Whiteface.".....Really confusing. Nerwen where are you ? and doublefactors are also yellow. Edited May 31, 200619 yr by budgiebird
May 31, 200619 yr in the article that is being debated doublefactors' faces are visually white so you can have a double factor blue bird and not know because it is carrying 2 yellowfaced genes. As for the green birds, I remember Nerwen saying to me there is no such thing as a yellowface maybe she has changed her mind?
June 6, 200619 yr What lovey said first was right. You can't be split for a dominant gene, because when a dominant gene is present, it will always show. YF is dominant. Greens, should be able to carry the YF gene, it just isn't visible, because they already have a yellow face.
June 6, 200619 yr Author ******LATEST PHOTOS****** taken june 6th Baby one BOY ?**WALLACE** Baby two GIRL ? **TEDDIE** Baby three GIRL ? **GOLDIE** Baby four BOY ?**BIGGLES** Baby five GIRL ?**SANSIA** Number one WALLACE....named for a friend who died from aids Number two TEDDIE.....named for LOVEY Number three GOLDIE.....cos she is Number four BIGGLES....cos he reminds me of Biggles from the books Number five SANSIA....for a good friend who died at age 12 in a horseriding accident Edited June 6, 200619 yr by budgiebird
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