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Wow - how can you tell already? I was waiting another week for his/her feathers to be like normal. Guess it will come with experience. Many thanks

Oops I meant that. I am getting too clever with all these genetics and confused myself!!! Many thanks for the answers. I had a query for a green budgie and suddenly realised they were mostly blue, hardly any greens.

Max is a Yellowface Blue and Olive is a Green Spangle: Max: Olive: What kind of chicks will they have - will the yellowface and/or blue from Max come through? Many thanks for your help.

Wow - you are right! That is so cool. They have feathered up more one week on. Less confusing than having four the same colourings. Many thanks. Tuesday 21 Dec. Well here are the chicks feathering up more. Chick #1 Cody is getting ready to fledge, he's on the edge of the nesting box hole! He is 4 1/2 weeks old now. This is him with Chick #2 Jessie who is up to 10 days younger (3 weeks today). Any ideas on male/female? won't know colouring for another week yet. Also Emilia Chick #3 is hiding beneath them. Chick #3 Emilia has turned out to be a brighter yellow so a Lutino and Chick #4 Roxie is a Creamino. I'm assuming these are girls as their mum isn't an ino.

Hello fellow Kiwi!!!! My mum is having trouble with a trio too - lots of eggs, hardly sitting and few chicks. She even managed to sell her mum by mistake too! I've legringed my adults now! I have been trying to get another female in with Timmy & Sarah as he is very amorous and last year ended up attacking one chick each clutch. So far so good. They tricked me this time and started laying when the chicks were 4 weeks old but no spare females anyway. We put a board around the aviary and hutch about 6" high and that kept the ltitle critters from escaping for the first few days until they got too big to squeeze through the holes! They are in the hutch as were in the aviary but a rat got two other female quails so safe in the hutch (right beside the aviary!) They are so cute when first born and so independent. I've just got a silver pair together now - Timmy's son and a friend''s female (same place I got Sarah) so should be good breeding I hope. There is such a shortage of quails up here, especially females at the moment. I've sold all this clutch now on TradeMe so fingers crossed - Sarah is sitting on 15 eggs and due Christmas Day. Here's my quails at 6 weeks enjoying themselves with my french moult babies in the nursery aviary: Good luck with your breeding.

Many thanks - even better if she is a he - good breeding stock for next year. Think I will need to change the name from Missy though!!! Her/His cere was a real purple colour yesterday. Or is that just the light playing tricks???

Fred the Dad - Sky Spangle (I don't know what his hidden genetics are if he has any!!!??!) My other budgies seem to have hidden extras! Martha the Mum - I've been told she is an Opaline perhaps cobalt but she is a real dirty purple colour - perhaps grey mauve?. I took a few more photos so perhaps that will help. She looks such a clean mauve here - shame the violet colourings don't photograph true to colour!

Some more pictures of Missy (assuming she's a she!) - Very camera shy!!!!

Wow what a mouthful - many thanks Dave. I only said that mum was a Yellow face recessive pied because that is what I was told on another thread. Thought she had more to her genetics but this is our 2nd year owning budgies, just really getting into genetics since they are breeding this year so totally green We are trying to build a table of the genetics of our birds so we can sort out breeding for next year - think we'll keep this pair together!!!!!! And I am assuming that bub is a male - how exciting for breeding next year. Will the Creaminos be all females because mum isn't an ino? Both parents are spangles so I say you have a YF double factor spangle. Cool - many thanks Kaz. You should have more faith in yourself. Many thanks - I think he's gorgeous. Funny how he is the same colouring as a previous clutch sister and current clutch 2 babies but they are all creaminos. Not sure if they are males or females yet but assume females as mum isn't ino. Don't worry I can give you plenty of practice at guessing genetics and males or females if you would like!!!!! I have 16 budgies and 21 babies. I have most of them worked out, but as I found with Coco, someone will find another genetic to add to the string, especially once the babies colour up. I have so much to take in and reading to do my brain is going numb!

His parents are Coco – Yellow face recessive pied Charlie – Spangle grey green Joe (male) is their first born from the first clutch. The second born was a female creamino. Their second clutch has this chick, a greyish colouring up chick at 2 weeks old and then two creaminos. Many thanks for your help.

More ???? Isn't three Creamino's enough for now? I have to find more names - can't call them Creme, Creme Two and Creme Three!!! Other chicks have Japanese and Maori names so will need to find the meaning of cream in those languages. I'll have to rest Coco and Charlie up for next year now!

This chick is four weeks old. Not a creamino like its sisters/brothers but same colouring, no red eyes. So I guess a YF2 something? I saw someone had posted a photo of their YF cock on one of my links but can't find it now I am looking for it!!! This photo taken one week ago.

Sunday 5 December 4th Chick hatched Sunday 12 December 4th Chick One week old (Notice colouring on 1st chick in background!) Thursday 16 December First chick 4 weeks old this Saturday O M G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I looked in nestbox today and saw a baby with red eyes!!!!!! Chick #2 was 2 weeks old yesterday, Wednesday 15th Then the surprise of surprises ... Chick #3 will be 2 weeks old tomorrow, Friday 17 - Note the red eyes - Coco's second creamino???? Chick #4 will be 2 weeks old this Sunday 19th - ummm red eyes - a third Creamino???? What a surprise. Two clutches - 2 + 4 chicks, 1 creamino, 1 same colouring but no red eyes and 2 creaminos?

This is the sixth baby, his/her siblings were a yellow/greenie dilute (another question later), cobalt spangle, albino, bluish dilute, lutino then this one. These are his/her parents (unsure totally what they are) Cinnamon and Marvin (Dad is like a light mauve colour not cobalt or sky as in the photo) What is the spot on the back of the head signify please? Many thanks for your answers.

Wow! Thank you Neville. That is an enormous help - now we can get reading and studying. Lots of info to digest in the genetics breeding section and we will be able to understand it all a lot more. We are slowly getting to know the basics but these hidden genetics like dilutes, and a green coloured bird which is actually a blue throws us. I still can't understand an opaline but now I have one will read up more on it. Still confused about a clear wing and spangle too. Next step is I have started a spreadsheet with columns for the eyes, cheek patches, tails, legs, face, head, body, back & wing colours and to get that filled in. The photos are totally working as they colours aren't coming out true. Flubber is actually on top of the nesting box with Snow in the first photo on The Rest Of My Flock. I have just added Cinnamon & Marvin to the end of The Rest Of My Flock too and added a blurb. They actually star in their own thread of Is This French Moult Please? Thanks once again for your help. Can I easily change the pairs for next year - as in will the birds co-operated being paired with a different bird? I will have breeding cages up and running for that. I am wanting to go greys and violets, so will need to get a grey bird by the looks as only have one male with grey in his genetic make-up. "2 blue birds will always produce blue chicks" - That is why Sky and Cobo had sky blue and cobalt blue babies but only one is recessive, the other four are normals. Dark factors I am getting to grips with as found a great web page that shows the colours and cheek patches and tail colours. http://www.budgie-info.com/budgie-body-colors.html And this site too: http://www.budgieplace.com/colorsguide.html It's like going back to school again and getting the brain working again! Many thanks for the advice.

Agreed Rachelm!! i think they are adorable too. How lucky is that 3 silver ones from two browns! were you expecting that kiwigal?? is brown dominant over silver? if so both parents must be split silver THANKS!! for posting the quail pics they are awesome! if the 13 hatch can you post more? hahaha its a bird party. budgies meet the quails! Thanks - they are gorgeous when first born - just the size of a bumble bee. Straight out of the egg on day one, feeding themselves and running around fully feathered! But you need to be very careful with quails as they drown so easily. I need to put pebbles in the water container so the chicks don't drown and there can't be any open water areas in the aviary as my mum lost a parent bird because in landed in her bird bath and drowned. They startle very easily and can fly straight up for up to 6 feet but can't really fly otherwise. The Chinese Quails are the smallest of the quail family. Last year Timmy & Sarah only had 2 silvers per clutch so this their first clutch this year and 3 silvers from 7 chicks. Most males I have had too. I think brown is dominant over silver as always more browns around than silvers. I am trying to get a silver trio to see what happens. There are only two real colours with Chinese Quails - silver or brown so guess nearly all of them will be split for both. Also a cinnamon colour which is rarer and a mix of the silver/brown so a lighter brown colour. Yes, Sarah is still laying and up to 14 eggs now but only 10 in the nest - so will post photos once she decides to finally sit on the eggs. Quails usually lay eggs over a 2 week period all around the aviary and then one day will gather them up into one place, sit on them and 16 days later - a clutch of chicks. Last year Sarah always laid in the one place so not sure what is going on here! I did open the lid up one day and there was rainwater on the tarpaulin which went into the aviary so might have got some of the eggs wet. Don't know. No-one is breeding per the book this year so another learning curve! Budgie Party: I think the quails are teaching the FM's how to scoot around the aviary floor!!!! The budgie babies seem happy enough to running around - can't wait for their first moult to see what happens. The all seem to get on and it helps the quails get used to other birds flying around as these quails are bred in the own separate ex-rabbit hutch. There are also 2 budgies that can fly that might have been contaminated by FM and one FM that can mostly fly.

Hello, Is it possible to be a real pain and have all my 16 budgies genetics named please. We want to get into breeding and my husband did this as a youngster with his uncle many moons ago! This is our first year breeding and we just let them pair up and whatever happens, happens. We have some beautiful colourings but I have 2 mauve/violet males and 1 female (plus Missy now) so would like to get into that. Also want to see if I have any grey colourings in the flock. It is a big task I know but is it possible please? I have photos of all birds under Budgie Pictures - My Flock And Babies AND The Rest Of My Flock. (or do you want the photos here?) Females & Males: Coco & Charlie Cinnamon & Marvin Ma (Double Factor Spangle) & Tawa (Violet normal?) Sky & Cobo Flubber & Snow (Albino) Martha & Fred Snowflake & Bluey Olive & Max (Yellow Face Blue ...) Many many thanks in advance if this is possible.

Here are the quail photos - I apologise in advance if they are in the wrong place - can't find where to put other bird photos - sure I've seen it somewhere? Timmy & Sarah's nest Day the chicks born after 16 days incubation - Friday 22 October: Three yellow (will be silver soon) and Three brown (next day a 7th brown chick hatched!) Mummy Sarah (brown) and Daddy Timmy (also the brown colouring!) The chicks are now one week old Daddy with some chicks - see the yellow wings are now going silver. Chicks about 10 days old. Mum is at the back - getting confused with her chicks a wee bit (lucky she has a yellow leg ring) Chicks now 3 weeks old. All the silvers are males and you can see Dad in the centre and to his left is a male brown baby - his white bib starting to show. Chicks are now 4 weeks old. Chicks are now 5 weeks old Had to remove chicks (6 weeks old) as Daddy chasing the males around the aviary. Sarah has 9 eggs and due in a few days but hasn't sat on them since the chicks left and has started laying again! 13 eggs as at yesterday. The quail chicks are with my French Moult chicks these four are the worst and can't fly at all.

Coco and Charlie were busy before their first two chicks were 4 weeks old! Not sure what Coco is but definitely a yellow head with lemon & mint colours. My next guess is Charlie is an olive green spangle? Possibly a yellow head too. Coco laid three eggs and threw the 3rd egg out, then about 10 days later she laid another 5 eggs, the first egg hatched and laid another egg the next day, whew! Her next lot are hatching now #1 Laid 2 Nov - Due 20/11 - Hatched Sat 20 Nov #2 Laid 4 Nov - Due Mon 22/11 - Never hatched #3 Laid 6 Nov (thrown & found on floor of cage on 7 Nov) #3 Found Mon 15 Nov - Due Fri 3/12 possibly? - Hatched Wed 1 Dec #4 Found Tue 16 Nov - Due Sat 4/12? - Hatched Fri 3 Dec #5 Thu 18 Nov - Due Mon 6/12 #6 Fri 19 Nov - Due Tue 7/12 #7 Sun 21 Nov - Due Thu 9/12 #8 Tue 23 Nov - Due Sat 11/12 Not sure of due dates now as they seem to be 16 days not 18 days to hatch. Chick #1 hatched Saturday 20 November (this photo taken 24 Nov) Second egg which was black never hatched. Then the big gap and Chick #2 hatched on Wednesday 1 December. Chick #3 hatched yesterday, Friday 3 December. Chick #1 is 2 weeks old today. Keep forgetting to check for red eyes as it has yellow on the wing tips so looking for another Creme!!!!

I love they grey cinnamon. Beautiful birds. All the best with your breeding. Shame about the other grey. I love greys and violets. Keep us updated please.

Excellent Dean - congratulations. Beautiiful birds. Keep us updated.

This is from Ma (Double Factor Spangle Female) and Tawa (Violet Male) She fledged from her nesting box into this nesting box. Guess it is her as her daddy is VERY interested in her and I had to chase him away from her a few times. Bonus ... and she can fly!

Thanks - I am gutted about the French Moult but that seems to have been the 1st nestbox mainly, 1 or 2 in the other 2 nestboxes. They are still fleding and the later ones seem to be flying okay. Other female birds are attacking them though. Yes, tried all of that - this is a SUPER rat!!! He digs through the river stones and even through the weed matting underneath. We filled up the holes and in 2 days he had redug through. I had put some seed&bait down but he had eaten 2 quails, then 2 budgies so no interest in seed after that juicy meal! Then we started putting heavy paving stone over the hole and after about 2 weeks he had dug tunnels under it and come out all sides. I found how to make a trap on the internet and put that down - he got in ate the peanut butter & got out. I bought some green square plastic baits and spread seed&bait over his entries and put a bait there too. We put wire netting down on the floor and covered it with 2 more paving stones, breeze blocks & topped up the gaps with pieces of wood jammed in and more riverstones on top. We actually caught it after about 30mins of chasing him around the aviary and hutch, No matter how much we banged and thrashed he stayed still. Just about to give up as hadn't seen him so thought he had gone & he shot into my net. Caught him and as transferring him from net into a bucket with lid he climbed up the lid and escaped. ****! Now I guess he is still around but don't see him burrowing in as the whole floor is covered. Keep refreshing & checking bait - they reckon 1-2 weeks before the poison works. At present he is effectively shut out of the aviary and dare I say it, touch wood, he can't get in.

So Creme is a Cremino because she has red eyes and not a Yellow Face Double Factor Spangle?? Her parents are the first two birds - Coco and Charlie. At least I know what chicks Ma's will be so I have a female violet spangle or are they double factor too? Why is their Dad trying to be VERY friendly with them when they fledge. I guess the first 2 are girls because he did this to both of them!! My head is hurting. Think I need to read up on genetics over the next year! Thanks for all the helpful comments. Thanks - I'm quite happy with the colourings. I'm aiming to breed greys and violets - got a violet chick from Ma and she fledged yesterday - no obvious sign of FM. At least I know one of the genetic names for her chicks! Is the other white female in flock 2 photos a Double Factor Spangle too? One of them seems to have bright white cheek patches but the other one doesn't, same feather colouring. They don't have red eyes.

Thanks - only item I could think of to put them into safely and take a photo without them getting away from me in the Aviary! Yes Creme has red eyes which made me think she had to be a creamino.