Norm

You might be right Elly #2 may just be a Clearwing…in my case with Spangle added on.

If Kaz thinks it's a girl it must be a girl she's the expert on sexing young birds. Kaz also gets it wrong That could be true we never see evidence of the mistakes…LOL….We only speak of our successes not our failures…but you have some backup this time…some people can be wrong…but not all of the people all of the time…[place a smilie here, but forum wouldn't allow] **Fixed Code - Norm - Please check how to reply/quote a topic as it always messes up the code **

If Kaz thinks it's a girl it must be a girl she's the expert on sexing young birds. And all the others seem to agree…So I guess it’s Darn…darn…darn!!! I guess you wanted a boy? Back to the drawing board as they say. Try again.

After seeing your second picture, I agree with Liv…your birds looks like a Yellow Faced 2 Blue, Dominant Pied, Normal…no Clearwing…the wings are just clear because of the Pied colouring. So even though it looks Green it really is a Blue bird genetically so it would be best mated with a Blue when you breed otherwise if mated with a Green the YF2 Blue will be masked unless the Green bird is split for Blue.

No I think I’m asking is there [ONE] Dilute where the colour is the same all over wing & breast, baring some amount of Suffusion. Then another [TWO] where it’s still Dilute with no colour in the wings, but only a reduced colour in the breast. Or is it just the one Mutation, with variation? I will be interested to see what others think.

Elly I didn't know that impatience was a sex-linked gene…LOL… You learn a little every day…even at my age it’s a wonderful thing…the mysteries of life… Yeah thanks, but I'm not sure that answers my problem. I have one case of a bird that just came out of a pair where one birds was a Spangle, it's a Spangle, with almost no wing pattern, as I presume it's a Dilute & the Blue on it's breast seem to me to be about 50% of Normal Sky Blue. In my understanding with a BES the ideal is to have a birds with as little suffusion of body colour as can be obtained. In the Yellow the Breast colour should be as close to Buttercup Yellow as possible without any suffusion, same as the wings. In other Dilutes the colour is Diluted, but the breast is still more of a Reduced Green…maybe it's just levels of Suffusion. And the same with the Blue, mentioned above, but the Blue on its breast seems more than Suffusion & a definite colour only reduced. My understanding is that there are three Mutations on the same allele as mentioned by you above…Dilute …Clearwing…Greywing. I think our Greywings here is Australia have full colour on the breasts while in the USA & maybe other countries there is a 50% body colour Greywing. But I'm just wondering if there are two Mutations of Dilute too…or whether it's just the amount of Suffusion…I hope that sounds clear?

As Elly said, mostly it’s neglect, some lack of knowledge may be present, but normal logic should suggest to someone that something is wrong before it gets to such an advance stage. It must take some years for the condition to get as bad as in that picture & what is so sad is that it is so easily cured.

Patience Elly patience…all comes to those who wait…LOL… Did that answer your question?

I can’t really explain it Elly, as you know BES is a Recessive Dilute. So both parents must be carrying the Mutation, it’s bit like winning the lottery; just by chance unbeknown to me these two birds must be carrying this gene. Then wallah!!! Out of Blue we have a BES [Dilute]. A question to everyone can you explain this to me about Dilutes? We have a BES which is a Dilute, they come in two series Green [Yellow] Blue [White]…in the BES the Blue series bird is almost pure White with slight wing pattern markings. But then & that’s what I would like to know if any one has any ideas…you can get a Blue series Dilute, which has white wings, but the body colour is a Reduced Blue colour…is this two definite separate Mutations or is it just degrees of suffusion?

Sorry to hear that news Sunnie…maybe next batch will be more of a success, that’s often common with first batch birds, but your TCB isn’t that young is it? Maybe you will have to look at fostering her eggs, maybe even try it on her next batch just to be sure, if you have another batch that you don’t value their eggs so much you could swap her eggs with theirs. I don’t recommend fostering young or eggs from birds that normally can’t rear their own young, but when you buy special birds & find they have problems I would use this method to at least get young from them, as often their young wont have the same fault & then at least you get something out of them. If the problem persisted in their young I would cull them. Good luck…You biased towards TCB’s Sunnie I can’t believe that.

So very nice to have a few people agreeing with me… :budgiedance: :budgiedance: I wub it...

It looks like your bird could be a Dominant Pied, but because we can’t see the wing area enough I can’t tell about the Clearwing part, but I would think that it is just a heavily Pied bird. The Blue suffusion in the vent & leg area is quite common in some Green birds, it could mean that it is split Blue or even masking Yellow Faced Blue, but without knowing it’s parent, test breeding it would be the only way to know for sure & see what it produced. To find out it would have to be mated to a Blue series bird.

I can’t be sure from that picture, but look more like a hen to me.

I agree with what MB says, except that it may be more likely that they are type 2.

I will let some pairs have a third clutch if they look like they are still looking strong.

What do you get when you mate a Dark Green Dusk with an Opaline Spangle Cobalt? I was hoping for some more Blue series Dusks. Both my Dark Green Dusk cocks I bought are 5 years old & not producing that many fertile eggs, the most have been three to a batch. With this batch the hen, a first time Mum produced 7 eggs, but only one hatched, I could see it was Spangle from the beginning, but now it’s got feathers it looks like…A YELLOW BLACK EYED SELF, SPANGLE…yes I know pictures soon. I was planning to try & breed one, one day. The hen I bred myself & as far as I knew there was no Dilute in her breeding, the Dusk was split Blue & Lutino…but the breeder also breeds BES’s. But it was still a surprise [pleasant]…it could also have Dusk in it, time will tell. Also some other Happy news, at last I have my first Blue series Texas Clear Body. I tried breeding one before mating a TCB to a Blue bird & I knew he was split Blue, but nothing but Green birds. Now these parents are an Opaline Dark Green/slit Blue/TCB cock & TCB hen, she must be split Blue also…

I definitely think too much enfaces is placed on supplying Calcium to Budgies, as most of the articles on it by experts I have read on the net say that too much can damage the kidneys. I think the best way of supplying it is via Cuttlefish bone, Calcium blocks & also I think that soft food that contains egg & some form of pellet or crumble contains quite an amount of it. At least by these methods the bird can choose the amount it needs, whereas Calcivet or something similar in the water has to be taken if the birds needs water & the bird can’t control it’s need of Calcium. I have never used Clacivet myself & only have a few cases of egg binding & I just think like with anything some birds are not good at absorbing Calcium & these birds are better culled.

Thanks you are too kind Neat.

Just dropped in to see how you were going…but see the pressure was too much one went down with the flu the other with a migraine…I’d be demanding Doctors certificates if I were you…just joking…sorry to hear about your troubles…okay I’m off to a nice warm bed…crazy people…at least you could have waited till the warm weather …good luck…

Having the FLU ain’t a good start Neat…you should be going to bed early tonight…good luck.

You don't even have to touch the eggs I just place a small strong torch next to the eggs & you can see which are solid or clear...welcome to the forum & good luck.

I got some from Mitre 10 & possibly it could be purchased from pharmacies.

You are right there Andrew…that would really be a challenge for them…they would get withdrawals symptoms…

All the best for tomorrow to you both… Melbournebudgie…hope it’s a great day.

Out of those I like CARROT CAKE, but not sure if it’s true especially the bit about "people like to hang out with you"…APPLE PIE & CREAM is my favourite… 8. CARROT CAKE -- You are a very fun loving person, who likes to laugh. You are fun to be with. People like to hang out with you. You are a very warm hearted person and a little quirky at times. You have many loyal friends.... You were meant to lead and teach others. A wonderful role model.