Sailorwolf

Vinnie looks so worried in this picture. hehe. cute

No. He will always do his fatherly duties. I have 2 breeding males in seperate cages at the moment, both have toys. One male has two 1 week old chicks. He has 3 toys and he still feeds mama budgie. My other male has successfully reared 3 babies to 7 weeks of age. He has had toys in there since the beginning. Now he is helping to raise a second clutch, with toys and his previous distracting babies in the cage and he is doing superbly. I also let them out to fly as well. The toys give the boys something to do while the female is sitting in the nest. So yeah, I would add one toy to the cage for now. A small one, would be good.

Wow he looks so small. How long is he? I have those toys the little flower and the dumbell and he looks so tiny compared to them.

I agree.

I would say it is fine for now. Give the male some toys to play with. he must be a bit bored.

I think introducing a bird would be a good idea. Runner budgies are fine. I have one and she acts just like a normal budgie, but with clipped wings.

How cute!!!!

They are very cute. !

That would be an old wives' tale

We know budgie lover must have another cage somewhere as he has three budgies and only two are present in that cage. What is your other cage like? It is best to add the nest box to the outside of the cage if you can, as it gives the budgies more room.

I said all terms are correct, because all people use them. What makes Show and Pet more correct and more right that American and English? They (pet/show/american/english) are all correct because many different people use them in many different shows around the world. I personally don't like to use American, but I do like to use English, however as I said above I had to use American to clarify people's misconceptions when I used the term "pet", which I originally used. No names are really right or wrong. If you percieve some as wrong, what is there to state that the names you use are so very right? The English were the first to think of having the budgie as a pet and when they started showing their birds they breed a range and type of bird that was and is very different to the wild untouched budgie of australia. These english show birds can't really be called bush budgies any more, because the are so different, thus a new name is needed for them and thus they were called English. These then had to be differentiated from the other country who were a major facor in the breeding of budgies, America, who were breeding their birds in a slightly different way, smaller than the english show bird, but still quite different from the original bush budgie of the Australian outback. The word budgerigar as most people know is aboriginal, this alone is enough to say that they are australian. By calling them English or American budgies, you are using the words English and American as adjectives or describing words. This means that you are describing the already australian word "budgie" as an English or American type. The fact that when people hear the word Budgie or budgerigar, they think of little australian grass parakeet, adding English as an adjective means the little Australian grass parakeet of the English variety and standard. This goes the same for American. The terms pet and show and English and American are all very right as they are all adjectives used to clarify what budgie you have. You can say you have a pet budgie, but that can be a show budgie and nobody would know. You can have and english budgie, but is he a pet or a show budgie? And yes I have heard of German budgies. I have known about these names since I first got into budgies, when I was 8.

I just have to say something. At the start of my original post, I stated Izzy is a PET bird and how would he do in a show. THis was percieved wrongly and poeple thought I meant how would he do in a show bird show. I had already stated that he was a PET, yet people misunderstood that to believe that I meant a show bird. Thus I called him and American bird to clarify that he was not a show bird/ english budgie. Now as someone who does not live in either Australia, America and England. Over here we use all 4 terms. American is not used that much, but it is used, as I have read it in many budgie books including Australian ones. I know how the Australians feel when some of their stuff is renamed, just like we kiwis often feel, when media for some reason likes to call Pharlap and Neil Finn, amoung other things, Australian and the English do the Haka. :fear (Laughing out loud) But anyway. All the terms are correct.

Cool

Very nice set up. I love it and your birds. Sebby isn't a spangle he is a greywing

Length and size is a skeletal change. Behavioual nature is also breed related. Dogs are also differentiated by their fur softness etc. You also have very similar breeds eg Belgian sheep doog and Alsation. (Laughing out loud) Sheep doog

Thank you Daz.

One thing we have to remember is that breed is different to species. English and American are different breeds, but they are the same species. They are the species of the Australian budgerigar. English setters and Greyhounds are different breeds, but are the same species: Canis familaris. Sometimes breeding the same breeds together you can sometimes get another breed showing up in the offspring (although rare).

I think he is gorgeous.

They are gorgeous. I love the budgie in the 3rd picture with its bum pionted towards the camera. Hehe

Absolute cuteness!

Thanks Kirby and Daz I don't usually use the term American budgei, but I used it to differentiate from what could be a pet show budgie. Or when you describe him as a pet, people may not think that you mean his type, but rather that he is in fact a pet. I like to see the two types of budgie, in a sense as different breeds like that of dogs and cats and other pet animals. They have a different build. For instance you have the Burmese cat. These were bred in Burma. BUt if we go along the following reasoning. It and all other cats should be called African. Same goes with humans. Some are American, some are english, but lets not forget that we all originated from Africa (as I believe). You don't really call a british person an African. I don't think anyone is getting uptight here. And everyone is allowed to debate and express their opinions. I think that perhaps one could say the Australian budgie of the English variety or the Australian Budgie of the American breed. I like to think of those names as breeds. Because they really are quite different in body shape and build to each other. Forums are meant for discussion.

Welcome to the forum. We are looking forward to those pictures.

Yay. Sorry Bubbles. I can be a right booger some times. You guys are all great and I appreciate you all being honest. I'm sorry that I made some of you feel a bit akward.

Hee hee. But Like I said about the American cocker spaniel and the english cocker, yet all dogs originate from Northern Europe. These are breeds. Anywhoo. How would he do at an American pet budgie competition? : to bubbles. hehe

Yeah I know. But then the english budgies would be Australian as well. And you can have pet english budgies. Thus I say American when I describe the smaller pet birds, that are much closer to thewild type than the english. I also think the American ones were bred in America for a while, weren't they? EDIT: I don't know if it is like this everywhere, or if it is meant to be, but the show birds in NZ are about as big as cockateils. They are huge. My budgies are a lot smaller than that. So it is like two seperate breeds. I guess like you have american cocker spaniel and english cocker saniel. But in the end wouldn't they all be European (because of the wolf)?