LOL @ karen.... :hap: :fear :fear

 

Thank you for the link, Luso. Mr. Ghalib Al-Nasser writes very interesting and informative articles - I've read him before. I hadn't seen that article though, so thanks again. I guess in my case the greywing gene was a hidden one, as those two hens were the only normals (non-pieds) I got from crossing two pieds! The male was a type 2 goldenface opaline dilute clearflight mauve/slate? pied (what a mouthful-just unsure of his actual base color) and the hen a type 2 goldenface/yellowface skyblue varigated pied with some normal black flights and some white ones! Does that make her a poor clearwing or simply varigated?? (Mom is the hen in back in the picture I posted). Genetics is such a fascinating thing!

 

 

karen, any thoughts?

Edited April 29, 200619 yr by Rainbow

In the Australia Budgerigar Show Bird Breeders Standard Matrix a grey wing is the have the body colour "approaching full intensity"

Hi Karen,

 

I hope to surprise you (as well as others who have been following this thread) but also to settle this in a satisfactory and final way for everyone involved.

 

I am glad to say I decided to contact an absolute expert on the matter. His writings are posted in many sites on the net and he is generally accepted as an authority when budgies are involved. I wrote to none other then Mr. Ghalib Al-Nasser and obtained his opinion about what your budgie is.

 

I sent him an e-mail ( I found his e-mail address on the WBO site) with links to every photo you posted of your budgie, and also with a link to the photo of the budgie’s parents. I also explained that I was a member of a forum and that we where having difficulty in concluding the matter. I further explained that I thought your budgie was Mauve Cinnamon Dominant Pied.

 

Here is his answer to me:

 

Hello

 

Thank you for sending me those photos and the parents and in my opinion it

is a Continental Clearflight Cinnamon Violet cock. If you look at the second

picture you will see that the right wing has the 7 visual clearflights, head

patch and clear tail all the characteristics that are associated with a

Clearflight (see the WBO website for the Colour Standards). Unfortunately

the left wing does not show the clearflights but that is a common fault with

this variety.

 

The mother looks as you said a DEC White (can not see the eyes if they

have/have not an iris) and the father is not a Dominant Pied as I do not see

any variegation on the body. He could be a Yellow of Dark Suffusion.

 

From pairing a DEC to a Normal (this Yellow will act as a Normal) you will

get 50% Clearflights and 50% Normals all split for Recessive Pied. See my

articles on these varieties on my own website (www.al-nasser.co.uk)

 

I do hope that I have been of help.

 

Regards

 

Ghalib Al-Nasser

 

The photo that Mr. Al-Nasser refers to is this one:

 

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After this answer I humbly stand corrected... and also surprised!! :hap:

 

Hope this helps you and that this answer allows your brain to come back in to the building again. (Laughing out loud)

 

Luso :beer:

Welcome back Luso :hap: Also, wonderful to hear an opinion from such an expert

Edited May 2, 200619 yr by budgiebird

Ghalib Al-Nasser!!

 

Continental Clearflight Cinnamon Violet cock - Wow! What a title!

 

So, I still don't know much about genetics except Blue, Green, Cobalt etc, so does that name mean he is pied too?

 

This is the first bird bred from this pair that looks like him, the others have either been normal or looked like Daz' bird Jazz (their daughter). Does this mean the non-normals are clearflights or what?? I give up! Genetics and me do not mix!! :fear

 

(Laughing out loud) I am still confused but at least I can put this to rest now - and my brain is peeking around the doorjamb. :hap:

 

Thanks goes to everyone who has posted in this topic.

Even though there were some issues I personally found this thread to be very educational & infomative. I appreciate everyone's opionions.

 

Thanks!

Here is Jazz...

 

http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/birds/K-05-w2.jpg

 

 

A Sky Blue Greywing Dominant Pied hen.

 

I think we can say Dominant Pied in place of Ghalib Al-Nasser's Continental.

Edited May 2, 200619 yr by daz

Wow! An expert clarified what I thought! That is so good to know. :ausb: It is good to know when you are on the right track. Thank you Luso for taking the time to get clarification for karen. That was way above and beyond.

 

karen, a continental clearflight is a type of pied.

So it is official! and I can finally put this boys classification down!

I have appreciated everyone's advice & rightly or wrongly I have appreciated everyone trying to identify him for me.

I went back in history checked, it was my Dad who first identified him in February - not me like I claimed!

I also went & checked his mum is a DEC not albino like a tried to claim!

Having a bad last few months! :ausb:

 

So, I finally have a Violet. I am very happy about that. I'm hoping the mum & dad will continue to give me some nice babies

Edited May 3, 200619 yr by karen

He would be good to pair to a lutino.. I hear violets enhanse the colour of lutinos

and paired to a lutino you will get lacwing girls

 

I'm glad we have an answer. Well dont Luso for getting some extra help. This really shows that simply looking at the bird isn't enough. and most times when we hare asked it comes down to a guess becuase we sometimes don't know what the parents are.

 

Just looked back at my answer ( Dutch dominant pied Violet Cinnamon) I was close. I keep thinking Dutch and Clearflight are the same pied gene just called differently around the world.

Edited May 3, 200619 yr by Nerwen

I'm trying to get him to bond to a cobolt recessive pied at the moment. If they bond I'll put a box in & see what happens.

He is one of the most beautiful birds I have ever seen! You are so lucky to have him! I dont understand all the types of breeds and genetics - all I know is I WANT HIM!

*races outside to lock cage door, put an electrified fence around & put a trained rottie in front*

Wow Karen, that is some title!

i got a headache reading all this!

that a great link with the colors. I can now figure all that out, but when it comes the pieds etc. thats where i get really confused!

I am trying to make a list of what type all my birds are, but I will need some experts on this! (Laughing out loud)