You've all met my budgies before. I plan on breeding this fall/winter at least one clutch. I'm not sure which birds I will end up putting up for breeding. I'm going to observe them through the summer and see if there are any natural pairings. But... I thought I would tell you guys what I have and perhaps you can recommend some possible pairings that will not yield normal greens or normal blues.

 

I have:

Male Dilute YF2 (possibly goldenface)

Female Dilute Sky Opaline

Female Dilute Green

Female Cobalt Opaline

Female Dark Green Clearflight Pied (one dark factor)

Male Cinammon Recessive Pied (possibly violet)

Male YF2 (probably goldenface)

Female opaline YF2

Male Creamino (at least I hope its male). - Friday I'll be picking him up.

 

NOTE: The dilute sky blue and dilute yf2 are likely siblings so they can't be paired.

 

Pictures of all but creamino can be seen in this post

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=9205

Shawna!!!...60% of your birds are too young!...(Laughing out loud)

 

Beka, Daffy, Star, and Puddin are barely old enough!!!....

 

If you HADDD to breed...i dont even think Sylvester is old enough? How old is her now...like 7 months? Since hes the oldest male, you would either need to get a new old male..or 2 to even think of breeding, or wait till they are all old enough, and try as many pairings as possible!

 

Best of luck though :fear

 

Kirby :hap:

Shawna knows that they are too young just yet :fear

 

I would think of putting a pair of dilute together: Male Dilute YF2 (possibly goldenface) (which I think is Sylvester) and the Female Dilute Green (Beka?) This will give normal wings and most likely green (but Beka could be split for blue) but more dilutes.

 

another is: Female Dark Green Clearflight Pied (Daffodil) and either the yf2 males or the recessive pied. Clearflight gene and recessive gene together makes DEC that look like albinos or lutinos. With the yf2 males you can get green ones like mum with out the opaline and maybe blues if she is slpit for blue.

Interesting.. I think that one of the easiest would be a male creamino. If he is male, then you'd get ino females no matter who he was paired with -- lutino with a green bird and creamino or albino with a yellowface. If you bred him with a cinnamon female, you may be able to get lacewings from one of his sons in the future.

 

 

Female Dark Green Clearflight Pied (one dark factor)

Male Cinammon Recessive Pied (possibly violet)

 

They may be a good pair if you would like to try for dark eyed clears somewhere down the road .. or if the clearflight is split for recessive pied, DEC's would be possible.

 

Male Dilute YF2 (possibly goldenface)

Female Dilute Green

 

You could get dilutes from these 2.. they'd probably be green.. but maybe blue or yellowface if the green is split for blue or yellowface.

 

Male Cinammon Recessive Pied (possibly violet)

 

The only way you'd get more recessive pieds is if one of your hens is split for recessive pied.. you wouldn't know for sure... so you could breed him with a blue hen with at least one dark factor like Female Cobalt Opaline to try for some more visual violets.

 

Female Dilute Sky Opaline

Male YF2 (probably goldenface)

 

Could be intresting.. probably no dilutes or opalines.. but you never know.

 

I probably haven't accounted for everybody.. but there's a few thoughts.

Shawna!!!...60% of your birds are too young!...(Laughing out loud)

 

Beka, Daffy, Star, and Puddin are barely old enough!!!....

 

Kirby :fear

 

 

I know they aren't old enough Kirby - I'm just curious more than anything. I don't even think I have one bird that is a year old. Thought I'd throw the question out there and see if there was anything I wasn't thinking of. I think of it as a way to learn more about genetics. And sure enough I didn't think about the clearflight and recessive pied to get a dark eyed clear. So thanks Nerwen.

http://www.budgerigars.co.uk/charts/decch.html

 

Here's a dark eyed clear chart. It looks as though that you'd need to breed a clearflight split for recessive pied with a recessive pied, for dark eyed clears to be possible from such a pairing. However, even if your clearflight isn't split for recessive pied when you breed it with a recessive pied some of the babies could be clearflights split for recessive pieds.

 

If you were "lucky" and your clearflight turned out to be split for recessive pied, here's what you could get by breeding her with a recessive pied male.

 

25% Recessive Pied

25% Normal/Recessive Pied

25% Clearflighted (sf)/Recessive Pied

25% Dark-eyed Clears

 

So keep that in mind, and even if not this time you may be able to get that if you breed one of her babies with a recessive pied.

Edited April 5, 200619 yr by HurdyBirdy

Nope its the dutch (or clearflight) pied gene together with the recessive pied gene that make a DEC they clearflight doesn't need to be split.

http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/gen_dec.html

 

I never really took the time to try to understand dark eyed clears before..

 

from the above link...

Both the clearflight trait and recessive pied trait must be present in a budgie for it to be a dark-eyed clear. The clearflight pied gene is dominant, therefore a budgie with at least one clearflight gene will express the clearflight trait. The recessive pied gene is recessive, therefore a budgie must have two recessive pied genes to express the recessive pied trait

 

It appears to me that Dark eyed clears is the term used to describe a bird that is clearflight and recessive pied simultaneously. The rules are still the same.. clearflight is dominant so only one parent needs to be clearflight. But since recessive pied is recessive, both parents need to pass on the recessive pied gene. That explains why the clearflight would need to be split for recessive pied. A dark eyed clear is a recessive pied.. and it is a clearflight.

Edited April 5, 200619 yr by HurdyBirdy

(Laughing out loud)..Shawna...they why did you say "I plan on breeding this fall/winter at least one clutch.".......they ownt be ready this fall or winter....*dont think*

 

Im sorry anyways though! I would try Wylie and Star out together! They owuld create yf1's....but they could be opaline or normal....so theyd be cute as a button! They i would looove to see Tazzy x Tweety...and Tazzy x Daffodil!!!...theyd be gorgeous!!!

 

Kirby

Interesting Hurdy. I've believe if was an odd arrance of the two gene mixing that caused the DEC. But having the gene continue the nomal behaviour would make more sence.

Thanks everyone. Thought I'd throw this one in the mix. There is a dark eyed clear or double factor spangle at a local pet store. Think it is a male. I'm leaning toward double factor spangle because they eyes aren't plum. Anyway, what might he produce? What I'm really asking is will he produce any spangles paired with what I have if he is indeed a double factor spangle?

Not only would a double factor spangle produce any spangles.. he or she would produce all spangles if paired with any non-spangle (and some double factor spangles if paired with another spangle) I think that DF spangle males get a blue cere and dark eyed clear males ceres stay pink like recessive pieds.

Not only would a double factor spangle produce any spangles.. he or she would produce all spangles if paired with any non-spangle (and some double factor spangles if paired with another spangle) I think that DF spangle males get a blue cere and dark eyed clear males ceres stay pink like recessive pieds.

 

Hmmm! It may be worth buying him. He's a cutie and even if he is a Dark Eyed Clear he'd make a great addition to the flock. I need a few more males to balance things out!!!

 

I'd be thrilled though if he were a double factor spangle. If I mated him with my YF2 female could I end up with YF2 spangles - my favourite coloured budgie??? Or would I get green spangles?

If he is yellow (like a lutino).. then you'd only get greens unless he was split for blue or yellowface but if he is white or yellowface (like a creamino) you could get blue or yellowface spangles.

How do you know hes a DF spangle Shawna?...is there a clue or hint?....

 

GO BUY HIM!!!!!....

 

Kirby

I read somewhere that DEC's have plum eyes and double factor spangles have black eyes. I don't recall his eyes being plum and they definately weren't red. He is all yellow.

ohhh..so if they are DF spangle...the eys are black...and the whole body if yellow or white? But how do you know if hes a DEC or not???...since i myself have heard they can have black eyes..with all white bodies???

 

Kirby :hap: