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Wanted! Pics Of Blue Or Green Spangles!

Nathan.
Nathan.
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Great, thanks again Hurdy :)...gorgeous bird!

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WOWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

 

So i could have babies that look like this?:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a76/Littl...es/IMG_1179.jpg [...this link isnt working..but the exact same link is above under what hurdybirdy said]....

YAY!!!!!......The green spangle hens parents are a dark green mom, and a green spangle dad. Then i know the breeder has the parents of the blue, but he did not show me, nor did i ask to see them. So, when you say split to blue, that means if one of the parents was blue right? The male (im calling him Toby, so lets refeer to him as toby instead of 'the blue one'..(Laughing out loud)) looks EXACTLY like his sister, who has a brood of like 6 babies....

 

So in all, i guess im just asking if i could get that coloured baby from a single factor green spangle, and Toby (the skyblue dominant pied cinnamon...that looks like Rainbows male).....YAY!..(Laughing out loud).

 

Kirby

Edited by Kirby

green is dominant over the blue gene, so if the green bird is carrying the recessive blue gene then yes you can have blue. It helps if you know what the parents are.

 

but if the green is not carrying the blue gene then all the babies will be green.

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So when you say carrying, that means that one of his parents have to be blue? The green spangles parents were both green.....So i can only have greens even if breed to that skyblue dominant pied cinnamon?....

 

So i cant get those coloured babies that hurdybirdy posted a picture of then?...

 

Kirby

Sorry to get your hopes up Kirby.. I posted that picture to show that a budgie can be both spangle and dominant pied.

 

You could get babies kind of like the one in the picture by breeding a green spangle with a pied bird but they would be green.. and they wouldn't be opaline either unless the parents (mainly father) was opaline or split for opaline.

 

So when you say carrying, that means that one of his parents have to be blue? The green spangles parents were both green.....So i can only have greens even if breed to that skyblue dominant pied cinnamon

 

If one of the green spangles parents was blue.. then you would know for sure that it was split for blue. If one of the green spangles parents are split for blue - they could still pass the blue gene on to some of their babies.. but there would be no way of knowing which babies got it - even if you knew for sure that one of the green spangle's parents was split for blue.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that the baby green spangle is probably not split for blue.. so yes.. you would get greens if you evenutally bred it with a blue bird. However all of their hypothetical babies would be split for blue because on of the parents would have been blue.

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okay, once again, thanks hurdybirdy.

 

So, tell me if im right now. If i were to breed a female green spangle to a dominant pied skyblue cinnamon id get:

-50% green normals

-50% green spangles

then 25% of the spangles would be split to cinnamon? And some would be split to pied?

 

thanks

Kirby

then 25% of the spangles would be split to cinnamon?

 

If it's the male that's cinnamon - all the female babies would be cinnamon and the male babies would be split for cinnamon.

 

And some would be split to pied

 

If one of the parents is dominant pied and the other is not, then half could be dominant pied. 50% pied 50% not pied.

 

If i were to breed a female green spangle to a dominant pied skyblue cinnamon id get

 

Females could be

25% Cinnamon Dominant Pied Green

25% Cinnamon Dominant Pied Spangle Green

25% Cinnamon Spangle Green

25% Cinnamon normal Green

 

Males could be

25% Dominant Pied Green

25% Dominant Pied Spangle Green

25% Spangle Green

25% normal Green

 

All the males would be split for cinnamon. All of the babies, males and females, would be split for blue.

The picture that Una posted earlier is what a green spangle would look like. Your first link isn't a green spangle. You could get birds that look like the other 3.. but its hard to say exactly what the pieds would look like. They can have very different markings, from just a spot on the back of the head.. to completely yellow wings.. and anything in between.

 

The pied spangles could look something like this.. but without the blueish shade on the belly. They would have green instead.

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=8889

 

Also any of those examples could have cinnamon wing markings if they are females.

Edited by HurdyBirdy

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YAY!...

 

So all this could happen if i bred a green spoangle hen to a skyblue cinnamon dominant pied right?....YAY!!!!.....cant wait even more to gfet them now!...(Laughing out loud)....So then, they would be pied?...or theres just a chance?

 

Kirby

So then, they would be pied?...or theres just a chance?

 

There's a chance that half of the babies would be pied.. some of those pied babies could also be spangles.

 

Since I am so bad and colors... is Tweedle Dee one?

 

I don't think that he is a spangle.

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YAY! Hurdybirdy!

 

My two favourite colours are Pieds and Spangles!!!..YAY!!!!!....

 

Going tommrow to get them!...wish me good pickings!..(Laughing out loud)

 

Kirby

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Nope...not getting them today like planned. My mom wants to wait until my new cage comes to transfer others into it....Whuich were looking at At LEAST Sunday, probably later....:wub:

 

UPDATE-I took Ariels eggs ...i feel SOOOOO BAD!..She was such a good 'mom' to the little eggs!....Right when i put Chico and her back with Kirby and Belle, Ariel got a little mad at Kirby, and they attacked eachother, but they have not since then, so i think they have established diminace again...i was kinda scared, and still felt bad for Ariel, which is why i added them all together so she would get distracted and NOT lay anymore until i buy the new mate for her.

 

Kirby

Sorry to get your hopes up Kirby.. I posted that picture to show that a budgie can be both spangle and dominant pied.

 

You could get babies kind of like the one in the picture by breeding a green spangle with a pied bird but they would be green.. and they wouldn't be opaline either unless the parents (mainly father) was opaline or split for opaline.

 

So when you say carrying, that means that one of his parents have to be blue? The green spangles parents were both green.....So i can only have greens even if breed to that skyblue dominant pied cinnamon

 

If one of the green spangles parents was blue.. then you would know for sure that it was split for blue. If one of the green spangles parents are split for blue - they could still pass the blue gene on to some of their babies.. but there would be no way of knowing which babies got it - even if you knew for sure that one of the green spangle's parents was split for blue.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that the baby green spangle is probably not split for blue.. so yes.. you would get greens if you evenutally bred it with a blue bird. However all of their hypothetical babies would be split for blue because on of the parents would have been blue.

 

Kirby, being split to blue means that the bird is capable of producing blue young even though he or she is visibly green. A blue bird is not split to blue, it is blue. When a bird is split to something, it means when combined with the right genes it will produce whatever it is 'split' to. The split part is recessive, or hidden. For example, let's use the colors blue and green. G is for Green which is dominant, b is for blue, which is recessive to green. A normal green bird is GG, a normal blue bird is bb. If you mate the green to the blue, you get Gb, which is a visually green bird, but carries a gene for blue. If you mate that Gb bird to a blue bird (bb) you will get some birds that are Gb (green) and some that are bb (blue). The bb birds will only produce blue birds when mated with other blue birds, because that recessive b gene is the only color gene they have to give. The green birds which are split to blue have 2 possible color genes to give off. Does that make sense?

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