Posted March 14, 200619 yr Hey there guys! I just got back from the breeders house, i was there for nearly two hours! Even though it felt like 20 minutes! I guess time flies when your really having fun! So, i picked out my babies, and they are just about to fledge like tomrrow, so im going to get them in about a week!!!...If all goes well, and my sexing ability to correct, im going to get a male green spangle, and a female blue spangle. The female is more of a grayish colour as of now, yet still blue. The green spangles males parents are a green spangled dad, and a green hen. The female blue spangles parents are a skyblue spangled mom, and a normal blue father. Now, to tied me over for the next week, could anyone post pictures of their spangles growing up?..that would be fantastic!!! I have tried google, but there are only like 2 pictures of spangles...and id rather see a lot more!...(Laughing out loud). Thanks a lot guys!.. Kirby :hap:
March 14, 200619 yr Here are Hommer's spangle babies he just posted :hap: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index.php?showtopic=8841 Congrats! Edited March 14, 200619 yr by lovey
March 14, 200619 yr Here's my spangle Little.. he's skyblue, even though looks more cobalt in these. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/Dollyland/839b6547.jpg
March 14, 200619 yr go to my site and you will see Connie (or Lacey as she was fiirst known) as she grows into a spangle. The link is the picture in my sig.
March 14, 200619 yr Author yay!...thanks guys!.... I cant wait now even more than ever!..(Laughing out loud), stop teasing me!..just joking!, continue teasing me ..PPPLLLEEEEAAAAASSSEEEE!!!!!!! Kirby
March 14, 200619 yr Author So guys, if i was to get male blue recessive cinnamon, and a female green spangle. (The male is a blue colour, with cinnamon markings, a white face, yet the recessive patch behind the head....so im calling him a recessive pied). He looks like Rainbows one male....except a darker blue, and darker wing markings.... So, if i were to breed the fallowing, what would the babies create?: -male yellow faced blue type II x skyblue hen -male yellow faced blue type II x white recessive violet cinnamon pied hen -the male i discribed above x skyblue hen -the male i discribed above x white recessive violet cinnamon pied hen -the male i discribed above x green spangle female hen -male yellow faced blue type II x green spangle hen So if anyone knows what those colours would create, that would be incredible AMAZING and appreciated! thanks again! Kirby
March 14, 200619 yr If he has a spot on the back of his head that would be a dominant pied not recessive. So the results would be different. Not sure about the fallowing gene, I will let the experts step in there along with all the pairing above for now.
March 14, 200619 yr male yellow faced blue type II x skyblue hen Yellow face type 2 blues and normal blues. Can't say what type of blues, if your male is cobalt then half like him and half sky blue like mum. If both sky blue all will be sky blues. male yellow faced blue type II x white recessive violet cinnamon pied hen yellowfacew blues type 2 and normald blues. Some can be violets yet will look like a cobalt. All males will be split for cinnamon and all will be split for recessive pied. the male i discribed above x skyblue hen this is the same as the first piar the male i discribed above x white recessive violet cinnamon pied hen again this is just as the second pair above the male i discribed above x green spangle female hen I'm taking it for granted that the spangle is only single factor: Half green spangles slpit for yellowface blue Half green normals split for yellowface blue. If the hen is split ofr blue then: 25% green spangles slpit for yellowface blue 25% green normals split for yellowface blue. 25% yellowface blue spangles 25% yellowface blue normals male yellow faced blue type II x green spangle hen this is just the same was what was asked above.
March 14, 200619 yr Author okay thanks Nerwen, however i kinda got conused at some parts..... -"the male i discribed above x skyblue hen this is the same as the first piar" -"the male i discribed above x white recessive violet cinnamon pied hen again this is just as the second pair above" When you said that, would i not get pieds since the hen is a pied, and the male has the dominant pied patch on his head? I just thought id get 50% pieds, and 50% normals....wouldnt i? then for this: -"the male i discribed above x green spangle female hen I'm taking it for granted that the spangle is only single factor: Half green spangles slpit for yellowface blue Half green normals split for yellowface blue. If the hen is split ofr blue then: 25% green spangles slpit for yellowface blue 25% green normals split for yellowface blue. 25% yellowface blue spangles 25% yellowface blue normals" Could you just explain these for me? Why would i be getting yellow faced blues out of that, if the male is white faced? Then, for the hen to be split to blue, does that mean at least one of the parents has to be blue? The parents of the clutch of green spangles was a normal green hen, and a spangle green male. There was a normal blue, and a blue spangle who bred, and had like 5 blue spangled babies, and 1 pied baby, but they were very aggresive. Even the young babies were very nippy, and the breeder even told me that the babies will not be the best breeders since not many males would be able to put up with the hens when they are all grown up. Unless i got a male from that clutch, and still bought the other older male that i thought was recessive pied...so id have two new males to breed with my two hens i have now....WHAT SHOULD I DO??????????...I really want blue spangles...and a LOT of them! Which ones should i buy to have the best chances at getting blue spangels?..should i get : -a docile baby green single factor spangle? -a aggressive baby female single factor blue spangle? -a aggressive baby male single factor blue spangle? Heres a picture of rainbows male, which looks VERY similar to the one im going to buy, except mine will have darker cinnamon wing markings, and a darker blue colour....(a normal blue colour, not skyblue like this one is, and also the one im buying, does NOT have white flight feathers. All his feathers have cinnamon on them, all the way to the tips unlike this one)...[hes the second one from the left..beside the cobalt normal] http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Rai...01/DSCN0320.jpg Thanks guys!...sorry for the loooong post! Kirby Edited March 15, 200619 yr by Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr When you said that, would i not get pieds since the hen is a pied, and the male has the dominant pied patch on his head? I just thought id get 50% pieds, and 50% normals....wouldnt i? OH I was taking the 'male i desicbed above' to be the last male form the pairing Sorry about that. I kow understand you what you meant. goive me a moment and I will come back with the answers for all the pairing again This time with the correct male.
March 15, 200619 yr Author hahahah...okay thanks!.....Wow, you replied fast!..thanks Nerwen, your the best! (Laughing out loud) Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr male yellow faced blue type II x sky blue hen Yellow face type 2 blues and normal blues. Can't say what type of blues, if your male is cobalt then half like him and half sky blue like mum. If both sky blue all will be sky blues. male yellow faced blue type II x recessive violet cinnamon pied hen yellowface blues type 2 and normal blues. Some can be violets yet will look like a cobalt. All males will be split for cinnamon and all will be split for recessive pied. Blue cinnamon (head spot) x sky blue hen Cobalt blues Sky blues All females will be cinnamon All males will be split for cinnamon The head spot act more of a dominant pied gene, but not a lot is known about it, some say it acts like a sex linked gene. You might get some with the head spot blue cinnamon (head spot) x recessive violet cinnamon pied hen Cobalt blues Some might be violets but will look cobalt All babies will be cinnamon All babies will be split for recessive pied You might get some with the head spot blue cinnamon (head spot) x green spangle female hen okay you told me both parents where green: Green spangles Green normals Green Cinnamons (female) All males will be split for cinnamon All chicks will be split for blue You might get some with the head spot male yellow faced blue type II x green spangle hen I'm taking it for granted that the spangle is only single factor: Half green spangles slpit for yellowface blue Half green normals split for yellowface blue. As to which one to get, pick the heathest looking one as you can see if you get the green spanlge you can breed one of her spangle babies to a blue later and get blue spangles.
March 15, 200619 yr Author okay, so Nerwen, what if i was to get one of those blue spangled babies but a male this time, instead of the female green spangle? Also, im pretty sure that the green spangle was a male...the cere was pink, but had some light colour which might have been white.....So, im sorry to bug you again, but could you help me figure out the previous parings if i was to sub the green spangle female in to a male, and the other thing would be if you could sub the green spangle female into a male blue spangle...? ps-the sexes of the birds i have now are: -yellow faced blue type II-MALE -cinnamon violet white recessive pied- FEMALE -skyblue normal-FEMALE Then could you try to figure out if: -the green spangle was a MALE instead of a female.... -if i got a blue spangled MALE instead of the green spangle... THANKS A LOT! Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr green spangle male X cinnamon violet recessive pied hen 50% green spangles 50% green normals all chicks will be split for recessive pied all males will be split for cinnamon If any chicks get the violet gene they will look like a olive. green spange male X skyblue normal hen 50% green spangles 50% green normals all chicks split for blue blue spangle male X skyblue normal 50% blue spangels 50% ble normals Blue spangle male X cinnamon violet recessive pied hen 50% blue spangle 50% blue normals all chicks split recessive pied all males split cinnamon any chicks with the violet gene will look like a cobalt.
March 15, 200619 yr Author okay great thanks SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much Nerwen!..... I still dont knwo if i should go with the more timid green spangle male, or the 'more aggressive' blue spangle male. My ALL time favourite budgie colour is blue spangle, so i could have a LOT of them, or a lot of still nice green spangles! My mom does NOT want me to get the 'agreesive blue spangle babies' since she wants peaceful ones. Like the timid male green spangle...So im torn! Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr She loves to tease us doesn't she I saw an Apple in the pet shop over the weekend, green spangle and all...gorgeous (it was a she). I was excited to see that this pet shop has spangles, this is the first time I seen them. It was a green day that day, everyone was green but dominant pieds, spangles, normals :fear. I bet they were from the same clutch.
March 15, 200619 yr Author So i should go with the green spangle, docile male? The only thing is that hes VERY quiet, and i dont think he has enough drive to breed with and older female? I know im making assumptions WAYYYY to early, since he was still in the nest when we got to the breeders, but wouldn't a fiesty male be more successful in getting a older hent o breed with then a docile male?....IM STILL TORN!!!!!!!!!!!! Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr he may be docile there though but who knows what will happen when you bring him home. And since you won't be breeding him until he is at least 12-18 months, really won't know until then. As for being fiesty or docile, saying the reverse a fiesty one could be too over bearing, aggressive. I have read when you are breeding an inexperience hen or cock, you want to breed them with an experience hen or cock. Anyways, I can't imagine how anyone can foresee if they will be good parents or now you know. Maybe I am off base, and someone with more breeding knowledge will come in and correct me .
March 15, 200619 yr Author (Laughing out loud), thanks lovey! Ya, i think i am going to go with the more docile one* if hes a female*....but if its a male, then i will pick a female from the same clutch as him....Since i have also heard most females like older males, instead of a almost 3 year old female breeding with a year old male. So, if i were to get a hen green spangle, and if i bred her to a yellow faced blue type II, and the skyblue dominant pied cinnamon cock, what coloured babies could i get? Heres a link to what the skyblue dominant cinnamon cock that im getting that looks very similar to, he is the 2nd one in from the right. However the one im getting has cinnamon markings, instead of this greywing. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Rai...01/DSCN0320.jpg Kirby
March 15, 200619 yr Still learning genetics, I will give you answers , and I know they will be corrected if I am wrong, so bear with me. hen green spangle, and if i bred her to a yellow faced blue type II With this pair you would get a 50% chance of spangles, everyone would be green unless the hen was split for the blue gene. Everyone would be yellow faced. if you bred the green spangle hen to skyblue dominant pied cinnamon cock Again everyone would be green, unless the blue cock was split for the blue gene. Any females you would have would be cinnamon, and all the males would be split for cinnamon. As for the dominant pied, if he was a single factor 50% change of the babies being pied, but if he is a double factor dominant pied then all babies would be pied. As for the Spangle, again it would be a 50% chance they would be spangle. Since spangle and dominant pied are both dominant I am unsure how that works? So that is my question... I hope that is correct...
March 15, 200619 yr hen green spangle, and if i bred her to a yellow faced blue type II 50% spangle, 50% non-spangle.. if yellowface is single factor then 50% will be split for yellowface, and 50% will be split for blue. You could get yellowface or blue if the green spangle is split for either yellowface or blue. Since spangle and dominant pied are both dominant I am unsure how that works? So that is my question Let me try to see if this makes any sense. You could get 50% spangle, 50% non spangle... 50% pied, 50% non pied.. so.... each spangle has a 50% chance of being pied .... 25% spangle, 25% spangle pied and each non spangle has a 50% chance of being pied.... 25% pied, and 25% normal
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