Posted March 10, 200619 yr I'l post some random pairing sometimes shareing spilts with you other times not. Just use all the info you see. Good luck. Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. Pair Two Grey SF spangle cock split cinnamon with Green clearwing hen split blue. Pair Three Green normal cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue. Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve normal split recessive pied hen Pair Five Blue cock split ino with yellowface type two blue hen Pair Six Dominant pied SF spangle green cock split blue with Opaline SF spangle blue hen Have fun. Answers in a week (or unless you all bug me before time ) Edited March 11, 200619 yr by Nerwen
March 10, 200619 yr Oh my how fun, I remember when I joined this site you were doing something similar (helping Lin) and it was so foreign, now I have an opportunity to get it right...will start working.
March 10, 200619 yr Author Thought you would answer Yes I think I should start a lesson up again, I wonder what mutation I haven't covered.
March 10, 200619 yr In the pair number 4, which shade of blue is the cock?? Edited March 11, 200619 yr by Nerwen
March 11, 200619 yr Hi Nerwen! Here you have my answer: Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. Resp: 25% Normal split for Opaline Cock, Normal Hen 50% Single Factor Yellowface split for Opaline Cock, Single Factor Yellowface Hen. 25% Double Factor Yellowface split for Opaline Cock, Double Factor Yellowface Hen. Pair Two Grey spangle cock split cinnamon with Green clearwing hen split blue. Resp: 100% Spangles, more specifically: 50% Grey Spangle/Clearwing Cock. 25% Grey Spangle/Clearwing Hen. 25% Grey Spangle Cinnamon /Clearwing Hen. Pair Three Green normal cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue. Resp: 25% Green Normal Hen and Cock 50% Green Normal split for Blue Hen and Cock 25% Blue Normal Hen and Cock Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve split recessive pied hen Resp: 25% Normal Cobalt split for Recessive Pied Hen and Cock. 25% Normal Mauve split for Recessive Pied Hen and Cock. 25% Cobalt Recessive Pied Hen and Cock 25% Mauve Recessive Pied Hen and Cock Pair Five Lutino cock split blue with yellowface type two blue hen Resp: The Cock can’t be split for Blue. Blue is dominant to Lutino, so if he had both genes, he would have to be a Blue split for Lutino. Pair Six Dominant pied spangle green cock split blue split ino with Opaline spangle blue hen Resp: You would have to tell us if they are single or double factor spangles, because that has an influence on the result, for instance: Spangle (SF) × Spangle (SF) 25% Spangles (DF) 50% Spangles (SF) 25% Normal Spangle (DF) × Spangle (DF) 100% Spangles (DF) And there is a second problem with pair six. The Cock can’t be Green and at the same time split for blue and split for Ino. If he received from one of his parents the Green gene, and from the other the Blue gene, both these genes would be dominant to the Ino gene, so what I’m saying is that, none of the parents could be giving him one dominant gene and one recessive gene (either giving green/ino or blue/ino).
March 11, 200619 yr Author oopps :hap: I was just adding what came to mind trying to get it confusing Thanks for pointing those out.
March 11, 200619 yr Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. Cocks will be Yellow Face split to Opaline Hens will be Yellow Faced Pair Two Grey SF spangle cock split cinnamon with Green clearwing hen split blue. Cocks will be: 13% (SF) Grey, Split Cinnamon, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Grey, Split Cinnamon, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% (SF) Grey (SF) Spangle, Split Cinnamon, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Grey (SF) Spangle, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Grey (SF) Spangle, Split Cinnamon, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% (SF) Grey (SF) Spangle, Split Clearwing, Split Blue Hens will be: 13% Cinnamon, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing 13% Cinnamon, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% Cinnamon, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing 13% (SF) Spangle, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing 13% Cinnamon, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing, Split Blue 13% (SF) Spangle, (SF) Grey, Split Clearwing, Split Blue Pair Three Green normal cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue. Cocks will be: 25% Blue 25% Green 50% Green split to blue. Hens will be 25% Blue 25% Green 50% Green split to blue. Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve normal split recessive pied hen Cocks will be 25% Mauve Recessive Pieds 25% Cobalt Recessive Pieds 25% Mauve split to Recessive Pieds 25% Cobalt spilt to Recessive Pieds Hens will be: 25% Mauve Recessive Pieds 25% Cobalt Recessive Pieds 25% Mauve split to Recessive Pieds 25% Cobalt spilt to Recessive Pieds Pair Five Blue cock split ino with yellowface type two blue hen Cocks will be: 50% Yellowface type II Split to ino 50% Yellowface type II Hens will be 50% cremino 50% Yellowface Type II Pair Six Dominant pied SF spangle green cock split blue with Opaline SF spangle blue hen Cocks will be 13% Blue Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied , Split Opaline 13% Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Opaline, Split Blue 13% Blue, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Opaline 13% (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Opaline, Split Blue 13% Blue Mutant 1, (SF) Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Opaline 13% (SF) Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Opaline, Split Blue Hens will be: 13% Blue Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied 13% Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Blue 13% Blue (SF) Dominant Pied 13% (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Blue 13% Blue (SF) Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied 13% (SF) Spangle, (SF) Dominant Pied, Split Blue :hap: Edited March 11, 200619 yr by daz
March 11, 200619 yr Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. 25% Double Factor Yellowface 50% Single Factor Yellowface 25% Normal Males will be split for opaline. Pair Two Grey SF spangle cock split cinnamon with Green clearwing hen split blue. 25% Grey (if grey is single factor), 25 % Blue, 25% Grey Green, 25%Green 50% Spangle, 50% Normal 50% females will be cinnamon, 50% of males will be split for cinnamon All offspring will be split for clearwing Pair Three Green normal cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue. 50% green normal, 50% blue Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve normal split recessive pied hen 50% recessive pied, 50% normal split for recessive pied 50% cobalt, 50% Mauve Pair Five Blue cock split ino with yellowface type two blue hen 50% Females will be -ino - (25% albino, 25% creamino) 25% yellowface, 25% blue Males - if yellowface is single factor 50% yellowface, 50% blue Pair Six Dominant pied SF spangle green cock split blue with Opaline SF spangle blue hen 50% dominant pied, 50% normal (if dominant pied is single factor) 25% double factor spangle, 50% single factor spangle, 25% normal 50% green split for blue, 50% blue all males are split for opaline I'll try to put it together for this one.. trying to figure out the math -- let me know if this looks right :: 3.125% dom. pied DF spangle green female split blue 3.125% dom. pied DF spangle green male split opaline and blue 6.25% dom. pied SF spangle green female split blue 6.25% dom. pied SF spangle greem male split opaline and blue 3.125% dom. pied green female split blue 3.125% dom. pied green male split opaline and blue 3.125% dom. pied DF spangle blue female 3.125% dom. pied DF spangle blue male split opaline 6.25% dom. pied SF spangle blue female 6.25% dom. pied SF spangle blue male split opaline 3.125% dom. pied blue female 3.125% dom. pied blue male split opaline 3.125% DF spangle green female split blue 3.125% DF spangle green male split opaline and blue 6.25% SF spangle green female split blue 6.25% SF spangle green male split opaline and blue 3.125% Green Female split blue 3.125% Green Male split opaline and blue 3.125% DF spangle blue female 3.125% DF spangle blue male split opaline 6.25% SF spangle blue female 6.25% SF spangle blue male split opaline 3.125% blue female 3.125% blue male split opaline And there is a second problem with pair six. The Cock can’t be Green and at the same time split for blue and split for Ino. I don't see a problem with your original Nerwen. If you had a lutino male with a blue female, offspring males would be green split to blue and -ino. I've never heard of blue being dominant to -ino before. Edited March 11, 200619 yr by HurdyBirdy
March 11, 200619 yr I aggree, You can have a male green split to blut split to ino. But you can't have a blue male split to green.
March 11, 200619 yr Author :hap: I thought it easier just to change them. If you want to talk about it post a new thread so we don't confuse people here.
March 11, 200619 yr I forgot to put blue for the first one.. Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. 25% Double Factor Yellowface 50% Single Factor Yellowface 25% Normal Blue Males will be split for opaline.
March 12, 200619 yr Hi HurdyBirdy! I've never heard of blue being dominant to -ino before. In Pair Five, there was a Lutino cock split blue, and I think that would be impossible, because of this: “Like all the other known sex-linked genes in budgerigars, the Ino gene behaves as a recessive gene, thus for the individual to appear as a visual Albino, then if the bird has two X chromosomes then both X chromosomes must possess the Ino gene - since only the cock has the XX genotype, then only the XiXi genotype will appear as Albino, and XiX or XX will appear as Normal (non-Albino).” This I found in this site: www.Budgerigars.co.uk So I concluded that if this cock had Xi (being Ino) and X (being blue), the Ino would act as recessive to Blue, and this Budgie could only be Blue split for Ino. Am I wrong here? As for Pair Six you were right and I was wrong when I thought that Green split for blue and split for Ino would be impossible. Your example was quite to the point. Uffff… this is complicated stuff!! :rip:
March 12, 200619 yr Author Lutino cock split blue with yellowface type two blue hen okay this is what I state first and after your answer changed it before thinking the matter over. I believe this is possible. Here is why: Green is dominant to blue and so a bird only need one gene for it to show. Lutino is a bird with a green (normal) gene and the ino gene. The ino is a different gene to the blue gene and can be carryed (split) like any other recessive gene.
March 12, 200619 yr so you know I am working on this, I have 2 more to go. I have to say I am NOT as detials as the above answers (just a novice) feeling way over my head, but trying.
March 12, 200619 yr Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Single Factor Yellowface opaline hen. 25% whiteface blue 50% sf yellowface blue 25% df yellowface blue all males are split to opaline Pair Two Grey SF spangle cock split cinnamon with Green clearwing hen split blue. grey-green spangle 9,375% blue spangle 9,375% grey spangle 9,375% green spangle 9,375% grey-green normal 9,375% blue normal 9,375% grey normal 9,375% green normal 9,375% cinnamon grey-green spangle 3,125% cinnamon blue spangle 3,125% cinnamon grey spangle 3,125% cinnamon green spangle 3,125% cinnamon grey-green 3,125% cinnamon blue 3,125% cinnamon grey 3,125% cinnamon green 3,125% all birds are split to clearwing all cinnamon birds are females 50% of males are split to cinnamon Pair Three Green normal cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue. 50% green/blue 25% green 25% blue Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve normal split recessive pied hen 25% rec.pied cobalt 25% rec.pied mauve 25% cobalt normal/rec.pied 25% mauve normal/rec.pied Pair Five Blue cock split ino with yellowface type two blue hen 37,5% whiteface blue 37,5% yellowface blue 12,5% albino 12,5% yellowface type II albino all inos are females 50% of males are split ino Pair Six Dominant pied SF spangle green cock split blue with Opaline SF spangle blue hen 6,25% dominant pied green/blue 6,25% dominant pied blue 6,25% normal green/blue 6,25% normal blue 12,5% sf spangle dominant pied green/blue 12,5% sf spangle dominant pied blue 12,5% sf spangle green/blue 12,5% sf spangle blue 6,25% df spangle yellow/blue, hiding dom.pied 6,25% df spangle white, hiding dom.pied 6,25% df spangle yellow/blue 6,25% df spangle white all males are split to opaline
March 13, 200619 yr Author so you know I am working on this, I have 2 more to go. I have to say I am NOT as detials as the above answers (just a novice) feeling way over my head, but trying. They don't have to be detailed to be correct
March 13, 200619 yr so you know I am working on this, I have 2 more to go. I have to say I am NOT as detials as the above answers (just a novice) feeling way over my head, but trying. They don't have to be detailed to be correct ...okay you get chicks.. sorry
March 13, 200619 yr (Laughing out loud), you just made me feel better. Will get my answers on today..I didn't have to to figure the other two over the weekend.
March 13, 200619 yr okay, here we go, probably doesn't make sense but it did to me. I went over my answer and over them (and I figure if I keep going over them I will just keep changing my answers which could drive a person insane) I apolgize if some of it is not genetic terms or "bird genetic" terms are not completely correct. Like I said I was not as detailed as most and as Daz said either way it is a budgie. Pair One Single Factor Yellowface normal cock with Singel Factor Yellowface opaline hen 25% Double Factor Yellowface 50% Yellow face 25% single factor yellowface 50% Opaline Split (males) 50% Normal (females) Pair Two Grey Spangle Cock Split Cinnamon with Green Clearwing hen split blue 50% Spangle 50% Normal (not spangle) 25% Cinnamon 25% Normal spit to cinnamon 50% Normal Single Factor Grey 50% Grey split to normal 50% Normal Double Factor Grey 100% Grey with 50% split to blue & 50% split to green 100% split for clearwing Pair Three Green Normal Cock split blue with Green normal hen split blue 25% Green 50% Green split to blue 25% blue Pair Four Recessive pied cobalt cock with mauve normal split recessive pied hen 50% 2 dark factors = mauve 50% 1 dark factor - cobalt 50% recessive pieds 50% Normals split to pied Pair Five Blue cock split ino with yellowface type two blue hen 50% Lutino split for blue 50% normal blue 100% Yellow Face Pair Six Dominant pied SF spangle green cock split blue with Opaline SF spangle blue hen 100% Spangle 50% Opaline Split males 50% Normal females Single Factor Dominant Pied (50% pied & 50% normal) Double Factor Pied ( 100% split for normal) 50% green split to blue 50% ino (all males)
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