So I've read on genetics but I'm still getting used to identifying colors and sometimes I get really mixed up.

Now I don't plan on breeding these two lovelies until summer time, when Napoleon will be old enough and when I will have unlimited time to be there if anything goes wrong.

 

Pictures of course...

 

 

 

Newton (female)

 

Napoleon (male)

 

Enrich me with all your vast knowledge!

At school we're getting into genetics and stuff and I'm really excited about that. Hopefully it'll help me better understand budgie genetics. And most of the time it's not that I don't get it or don't understand, it's purely due to the fact that I don't have enough practice

 

Anyways, I'm sure some of you love to figure all the genetics stuff out, I know I would love it, but I need to study it all a bit more. In fact I keep gathering pictures and notes about it all and I keep reading it all... I'm a big nerd!

 

thanks for the help!

 

i added two clearer pictures of newton. i'll try and take some other pictures of napoleon but he isn't tame so it's more difficult to get him to do what i want hehe

Edited March 3, 200619 yr by standbyme

following every genetic post around....(Laughing out loud)

 

I am going to learn on this one, because I am not sure personally of the mutations. Of course if you don't mind me pulling your post apart

 

Newton - is she a green greywing?

Napolean - Type I greywing dilute?

following every genetic post around....(Laughing out loud)

 

I am going to learn on this one, because I am not sure personally of the mutations. Of course if you don't mind me pulling your post apart

 

Newton - is she a green greywing?

Napolean - Type I greywing dilute?

 

 

Well I was told that Newton was a Yellow dilute

and Napoleon was a Yellow Face Skyblue clearwing

 

I recently noticed that Newton has white/offwhite flight feathers and wondered if that meant something.

And no I don't mind at all! hehe

I'm sure someone will come along and help us both out. I'm really just going on what other people have told me. mainly because it sounded right to me... so yep.

I will hold off and wait and learn, because I don't want to confuse you or me

Here's one of your links Lovey http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#dilution

 

I think I would tend to agree that Newton is a green dilute. Let's make sure that Napoleon is a clearwing. I wonder if he may be a yellowface type 2 - it doesn't look like he's gone through his first molt yet.

 

The information to about what happens when you breed a dilute with a clearwing looks like it's on this page.

 

http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/gen_dilution.html

yep I looked there that is how I got his mutation but then when she came back with a different one I figured I wanted to get the mutation right before I started to dig into what could happen I was thinking Type 2 too but wasn't sure either.

Yellow Face Type II sounds about right, he seems to have bits of yellow diffused about his body.

That seems consisten with the yellow face type II description.

 

as for clearwing... no idea if that's right or not.

 

and I'm totally confused by the detailed page on breeding dilutes and clearwings... yeah hehe.

first you have to understand what the mutation does to the body and wings

 

The greywing gene by itself produces more pigment in the wings, causing the grey colored markings, and less pigment in the body feathers, causing 50% color dilution

 

clearwing gene by itself produces less pigment in the wings, causing very light markings, and more pigment in the body feathers, causing the bright body color.

 

When a budgie has both a greywing and a clearwing gene, the budgie is a full-body-color greywing. The greywing gene makes up for the lack of wing pigmentation ability of the clearwing gene, and the clearwing gene makes up for the lack of body feather pigmentation ability of the greywing gene.

 

But we are not sure if he is a clear or grey, Nerwen will be on this evening and I am sure she will be able to help us out

I'm leaning toward Napolean being a clearwing based on the pictures and descpritions. (but I'm not really sure) Here's Khepri and I think that he is a yellowface type 2 greywing.

 

 

You can see how the yellow background of the new feathers are making them appear darker than the ones with the lighter background.

okay I looked back and found a link with a better picture of Newton, what do you think Hurdy, by the way scroll down...Nerwen answer is there and she says she still has alot to learn that was in July of 05 (Laughing out loud). - shows how much more she has grown in almost a year.

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....wtopic=4612&hl=

okay I looked back and found a link with a better picture of Newton, what do you think Hurdy, by the way scroll down...Nerwen answer is there and she says she still has alot to learn that was in July of 05 (Laughing out loud). - shows how much more she has grown in almost a year.

http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....wtopic=4612&hl=

 

that is a much better picture! you can see the markings more clearly, i'll change the picture above to that one.

thanks!

what do you think Hurdy

 

I think I'm getting more and more confused Lovey.

 

Since her flights are so light, I still think that Newton is a dilute. It looks like the greywings have darker ones.

 

Is Napoleon a clearwing.. is he a greywing? It doesn't make a whole lot of difference because either one is dominant to dilute -- so if he's a greywing the babies will all be greywings.. and if he's a clearwing, the babies will all be clearwings.

 

To add a bit of extra confusion -- greywing (and clearwing) can both be split for dilute and if Napoleon is than you can get 50% greywing (or clearwing) and 50% dilute by breeding him with a dilute.

what do you think Hurdy

 

I think I'm getting more and more confused Lovey.

 

Since her flights are so light, I still think that Newton is a dilute. It looks like the greywings have darker ones.

 

Is Napoleon a clearwing.. is he a greywing? It doesn't make a whole lot of difference because either one is dominant to dilute -- so if he's a greywing the babies will all be greywings.. and if he's a clearwing, the babies will all be clearwings.

 

To add a bit of extra confusion -- greywing (and clearwing) can both be split for dilute and if Napoleon is than you can get 50% greywing (or clearwing) and 50% dilute by breeding him with a dilute.

 

hehe i love how so much confusing is to be had!

but it does make a difference doesn't it if they carry both?

 

When a budgie has both a greywing and a clearwing gene, the budgie is a full-body-color greywing. The greywing gene makes up for the lack of wing pigmentation ability of the clearwing gene, and the clearwing gene makes up for the lack of body feather pigmentation ability of the greywing gene.

 

 

 

this will help :wine

That's true Lovey.... but I was ruling him out as being a full body color greywing I hope..... they all look too simular to me.

Where is Nerwen she is letting us suffer , hey I know you will get some very beautiful budgies, I plead the 5th :

They do look so similar.

 

 

You know.. when you look at these.. he really doesn't look like brightly colored at all.. I'm wondering if he may actually be a *cobalt* greywing or maybe even a cobalt dilute.

 

hey I know you will get some very beautiful budgies, I plead the 5th

 

okay.. I'm done too now :S .. At least we know they'll all be green unless Newton is split for blue.

:(Laughing out loud): :grbud: :grbud: :book: :grbud: :(Laughing out loud):

Well I was thinking Newton was clear wing, the flight feathers are almost white and the body colour looks strong. What the colour is called is a bit confusing, she doesn't look dark enough for olive, I think greygreen. But the last pictures does make her look like a dilute.

 

Napoleon I think is a type one with the new photos Hurdy found. There isn't any bleed that I can see and looks as if the head bars have gone.

 

What we do know:

you will get greens unless Newton is split blue then you will get yellow faces as well. And either some form of the dilute gene showing on all babies :grbud:

Well Hurdy you were right we will get greens :grbud: unless split. :beer:

thanks everyone :grbud:

you all spun your heads around to figure that out and I appreciate it :grbud:

oh *hits head* if she is a grey green then there is a possible for greys as well

:glare: faints to the ground, hits head, get up

oi!

grey greens too!

hehe

hopefully i'll have a mighty colorful bunch when babies come along.

that would make me happy!

hehe

or what would be funny is they come out completely different than expected due to hidden genes.

not sure of the likeliness of that... but it makes me laugh just thinking about it

but it does make a difference doesn't it if they carry both?

 

When a budgie has both a greywing and a clearwing gene, the budgie is a full-body-color greywing. The greywing gene makes up for the lack of wing pigmentation ability of the clearwing gene, and the clearwing gene makes up for the lack of body feather pigmentation ability of the greywing gene.

 

 

 

this will help :wine

 

That makes sense, and it explains my two greywing twins. Thanks.

 

 

Napoleon I think is a type one with the new photos Hurdy found. There isn't any bleed that I can see and looks as if the head bars have gone.

 

I go with type 2 for Napoleon. If you look at the first picture, the feathers over the tail are green. The only way to get green on a blue bird is type 2.

 

Very interesting thread!