Hi everyone.

 

Any help, recommendation, of ideas on what I can do for my little one with the wound below on his fatty lump. The wound grows bigger and bigger while surprisingly the tumor grows smaller. I use antibiotics, antiseptic thrice a day. Thanks God my blue one flies, talks, sings and is active as ever. Any comments on your part (excluding the removal of the lump) would help. Any medication you know do let me know.... this really makes me sad.......

 

I really think it needs to be tested for what kind of bacteria is in it. Some bacteria's can be immune to some antibiotics, and that may be the problem. see my other post where I suggest you find a lab you can post a sample to

what has the vet said? I know in your other post you mentioned taking him up to the avian vet a couple days ago.

 

Also here are some questions to answer

 

Did the vet say the tumor was fatty or another kind?

What foods is your bird eating?

What type of enviroment (cage, chemicals, routine etc..) is your bird exposed to?

You are putting on medicine, what type?

 

Answering these questions can help our experts out more here (not a replacement for a vet though)

 

Doing a little research on the net it sounds like it may be this

The tumors are of many types, and that complicates any attempt to find a cure. many are fatty lipomas, usually on the chest, and in themselves pretty harmless, except if they continue to grow eventually the skin gives up and ulceration starts. Diet is obviously a major factor in controlling these. A low fat diet is best.

Edited February 9, 200619 yr by lovey

what has the vet said? I know in your other post you mentioned taking him up to the avian vet a couple days ago.

 

Also here are some questions to answer

 

Did the vet say the tumor was fatty or another kind?

What foods is your bird eating?

What type of enviroment (cage, chemicals, routine etc..) is your bird exposed to?

You are putting on medicine, what type?

 

Answering these questions can help our experts out more here (not a replacement for a vet though)

 

Doing a little research on the net it sounds like it may be this

The tumors are of many types, and that complicates any attempt to find a cure. many are fatty lipomas, usually on the chest, and in themselves pretty harmless, except if they continue to grow eventually the skin gives up and ulceration starts. Diet is obviously a major factor in controlling these. A low fat diet is best.

 

okay,

 

Veggies, only seeds mostly millet is what we give him with pure wheat bread once in a while (recommended by avian vet for fatty tumored birds)

 

He is a cage bird, only when it comes to sleeping, otherwise he is left free in the house to wonder around because he is a flier and active and very happy outside the cage. (His cage may be considered a hotel to spend the night at) so there is not problem with him being inactive.

 

The antiseptic I use is Baticone (a local uniodinized antiseptic so to not irritate the wound), I did use antiobiotics internally for a week but what I use now is an antiobiotic pomade called Fucidin (containing 20 mg of Sodium Fusidat??, this is in Turkish so Im trying my best to translate)

 

I apply the pomade once every morning around the wound in very little amount not to humidify and soften the wound which is dry and clotted.

 

The vet told us it what a fatty tumor, and to my relief at the present its not growing, on the contrary its like the wound is eating it up. (surfing in the internet I got hold of an article which hopefully indicated that sometimes it was seen that such tumors would be mutilated by birds when blood flow stopped reaching them causing them diminish in size and eventually die away) I hope that is the case.

 

Thanks for your prompt answers

We use White French Millet, a low fat seed type - only about 2% fat - and combine this with as much fresh vegetables as we can persuade the budgie to eat. The lowest fat content in pellets we see here is 4% or higher.

 

is this the type of millet? because some millets are very high in fat content.

 

I found this site browsing that may help you http://www.holisticbird.org/heal/tumors.htm

:sad:

 

I also have a budgie with a tumor.

 

We've been to our avian vet a couple of times. Basically the vet gave us very little option but to take her home and let her live out her life. Her tumor is also on her abdomen and it was ulcerated. We were told surgery would be anywhere between $3,000 and $5,000 which realistically is not something I could afford and also we were not given a good prognosis for her even surviving such a surgery. We were told that it was not our fault, we didn't cause this and we were doing everything right. We were told it was mostly hereditary and budgies are prone to fatty tumors. Hers is about a quarter of an inch in depth and is pinkish like her skin colour. She was picking at it when preening and we had to make her a small cape like pliable plastic collar. The collar the vet sold us was bulky, hard plastic and had heavy snaps on it. It wouldn't allow her to be able to fly, so we made our own similar to that one, but smaller, pliable plastic and trimmed with pink bias cotton tape. When she is out of her house, we flip the collar into a cone shape and it doesn't impede her flying abilities. We remove her collar a couple of times a week to let her preen. She is active and the tumor doesn't appear to bother her except for the fact that it may be itchy. Her diet is also white millet, and their primary veggies are kale and broccoli and whatever else I may have on hand.

 

We don't know how long she has, if the tumor will grow or stay the same size. But we are doing the best that we can do for her, short of surgery. Here is a link to further pics of my birds.

 

 

http://www.maureena.net/Pets.html

 

 

Maureena

Edited February 9, 200619 yr by Reena

welcome to our forums, thank you for that information. Your budgie is beautiful. You will want to resize your picture to 450x450 because it is a little over the size for the size, or the mods will may remove it.

welcome to our forums, thank you for that information. Your budgie is beautiful. You will want to resize your picture to 450x450 because it is a little over the size for the size, or the mods will may remove it.

 

 

Hi

 

Thanks for the info. I will just leave a link to my photos instead.

I checked out your website a little, I love your other ones too. I encourage you to intro yourself by the new members section and post pictures of your budgies. This is a great community :sad:

Thanks very much for looking at the pics, and I took your advice and ran over to the new members section.

 

Thanks!

 

I also have a budgie with a tumor.

 

We've been to our avian vet a couple of times. Basically the vet gave us very little option but to take her home and let her live out her life. Her tumor is also on her abdomen and it was ulcerated. We were told surgery would be anywhere between $3,000 and $5,000 which realistically is not something I could afford and also we were not given a good prognosis for her even surviving such a surgery. We were told that it was not our fault, we didn't cause this and we were doing everything right. We were told it was mostly hereditary and budgies are prone to fatty tumors. Hers is about a quarter of an inch in depth and is pinkish like her skin colour. She was picking at it when preening and we had to make her a small cape like pliable plastic collar. The collar the vet sold us was bulky, hard plastic and had heavy snaps on it. It wouldn't allow her to be able to fly, so we made our own similar to that one, but smaller, pliable plastic and trimmed with pink bias cotton tape. When she is out of her house, we flip the collar into a cone shape and it doesn't impede her flying abilities. We remove her collar a couple of times a week to let her preen. She is active and the tumor doesn't appear to bother her except for the fact that it may be itchy. Her diet is also white millet, and their primary veggies are kale and broccoli and whatever else I may have on hand.

 

We don't know how long she has, if the tumor will grow or stay the same size. But we are doing the best that we can do for her, short of surgery. Here is a link to further pics of my birds.

 

 

http://www.maureena.net/Pets.html

 

 

Maureena

 

Thanks Reena for the advice on the collar and how its made, I will definitely work on it and make one similar to yours. Your budgies are beautiful!

 

Thanks Reena for the advice on the collar and how its made, I will definitely work on it and make one similar to yours. Your budgies are beautiful!

 

Hi Alev

 

I'm glad at least I could help somehow.

Two of my four budgies have lipomas (fatty benign tumors), in fact one of them is approaching 9 years old, I believe. (the witchy woman) My vet suggested adding a portion of crushed Synthyroid pill (people medicine for thyroid probs) into their water every other day and it works!! Not that the tumors go away or anything, but it shrinks them a bit so they are compressing on any major organs, Happy could hardly breathe when I discovered the multiple tumors and this was about 5 or 6 years ago. These two will never be great flyers but they enjoy a good life and I try to keep their diet as low fat as possible. Good Luck with your budgie!

Hi Phoebe

 

Thanks for the information. Can you tell me if you had to get a prescription for synthyroid pills or can you get this over the counter?

 

I certainly hope my girl goes for many years. But we watch her closely every as her tumor had ulcerated. I clean it every day and put a dab of polysporin cream on it. It is helping to heal the scab up.

 

Thanks again

 

Two of my four budgies have lipomas (fatty benign tumors), in fact one of them is approaching 9 years old, I believe. (the witchy woman) My vet suggested adding a portion of crushed Synthyroid pill (people medicine for thyroid probs) into their water every other day and it works!! Not that the tumors go away or anything, but it shrinks them a bit so they are compressing on any major organs, Happy could hardly breathe when I discovered the multiple tumors and this was about 5 or 6 years ago. These two will never be great flyers but they enjoy a good life and I try to keep their diet as low fat as possible. Good Luck with your budgie!

Hi and welcome Reena. Your bird looks adorable in that collar - it reminds of those collars the ladies wore in Elizabethan times

You need a prescription for it but it isn't terribly expensive compared to my other birdie drugs and my plucking lovebird is back in a collar, sigh. It looks like the lipoma grew so large for your budge that it got out of hand but I know the Synthyroid can really shrink them but not erradicate them completely. :greenb:

:grbud: You need a prescription for it but it isn't terribly expensive compared to my other birdie drugs and my plucking lovebird is back in a collar, sigh. It looks like the lipoma grew so large for your budge that it got out of hand but I know the Synthyroid can really shrink them but not erradicate them completely. :greenb:

 

Thanks Phoebe

Hi Phoebe

 

Sorry, one more question for you :-)

 

My mother-in-law takes this prescription and has kindly offered to give us some to try out. Would you tell me roughly how much you put in your birds water? I have four budgies so I am not sure if I should put it in the water for everyone but I can dose her separately if I need to.

 

I really appreciate the information you have offered.

 

 

thanks

 

Maureena

Sorry Reena, can't help you there, it would be VERY DANGEROUS to tell you what to give your bird. Like my own hypertension pills, they come in different sizes and dosages depending on the supplier. You are best to go to an avian vet who can monitor the condition. I do remember housing Happy in a separate cage for about a month where she was first treated with higher then declining dosages of the drug. All the best and good luck.

Sorry Reena, can't help you there, it would be VERY DANGEROUS to tell you what to give your bird. Like my own hypertension pills, they come in different sizes and dosages depending on the supplier. You are best to go to an avian vet who can monitor the condition. I do remember housing Happy in a separate cage for about a month where she was first treated with higher then declining dosages of the drug. All the best and good luck.

 

Thanks Phoebe

 

That's fine, we'll do the math and figure out what we need to do.

 

Thanks

Right and you will eventually have to connect with an avian vet re:Synthyroid as the birds have to be on maintenance doses for the rest of their lives unfortunately.

I had to take my Bluie for a check up after he had been on antibiotics for a respiratory problem, and while I was there I did ask my avian vet if she had heard of synthroid being used on a budgie for tumors. She hadn't but promised me she would research it for me.

 

She phoned me today and indicated they would not prescribe it for birds. She said that it greatly increases their heart rate and can damage their kidneys. And also we don't know for sure what kind of tumor our Berdie has, and it could very well be cancer. So, we will just let her live out her days as long as she is playful and active.

Edited March 9, 200619 yr by Reena

Reena who is your vet, just wondering. if its kober, she's nasty at treating things and usually takes the most aggressive routes to a healthy bird which is good, but sometimes not what you need. maybe ring wegar (north calgary), he can give you some possible home remedies that aren't so aggressive and don't hurt the birds either way. he helped me when i couldn't get up there right away when i rescued a scaly faced budgie. he'll help you that way, if your looking for a more natural approach.

best of luck, weight and dosing is very important, and I know with Synthroid (bacause I used to work for an doctor) that it can vary per patient and the adjustment needs to be just right. Keep us update.

Good Luck! I guess docs (like the rest of us) have differing opinions on what and what not to prescribe. Happy has been on Synthyroid for many, many years now with no ill effects, she is very healthy otherwise. ? is that is what makes her a witchy woman?