I'm very confused about all the colours , can anybody tell me what is this colour? Her wings are just half marked and cinnamony colour and ends of her wings are white

 

 

 

Thank you

Very nice bird Zebra.

Let see Opaline clearwing I think. Nerwen can call the rest

Very nice bird Zebra.

Let see Opaline clearwing I think. Nerwen can call the rest

 

 

Thanks a lot Daz, I would never figure out her colour

that is all i see too Daz, no brown markings for cinnamon

My new Boy

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darrylw/CBS-4357.jpg

 

I'll try to get a better shot of him. He is a light green opaline.

Unfortunately the breeder bred opaline to opaline and he has lost some wing markings.

I'll be breeding him back to a normal to bring the markings back.

cute, interestinga bout the opaline to opaline. If I can find a male that I know is split for opaline I think I will go for him to match to Reep rather a full opaline male.

Well if I can get the Opaline I bought to breed with Ash you can look at geting one.. She was in the nest box this morning so cross fingures.

that would be cool.

Here is Mum

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darrylw/LG-026-04.jpg

Light Green Opaline

 

 

and Dad.

http://www.flexi.net.au/~dwellsadsl/Images/ash.jpg

Cinnamon Grey

 

What do you think i'll get {genetic lesson}

Edited July 12, 200618 yr by daz

*leaves it open for others to say first*

I am hoping that someone has picked up something.... :budgiedance:

green? Grey is recessive isn't it? Um, I don't quite get opqaline etc, so can't comment on that.

Strangely Grey is the only colour that will mix with Green to form a grey green... :rip:

violet will too daz to give you a olive looking bird.

violet will too daz to give you a olive looking bird.

which explains Radar :rip: Nerwen knows what I mean with Radar.........

and

QUOTING DAZ.......strangely Grey is the only colour that will mix with Green to form a grey green...

which explains Bubbles (R.I.P)

Bubbles

Bubbles Dad

and Mum

Thanks Guys....you are making everything clearer to me....

Now what will these two produce then ? Cookie is the only girl to have put a spark back in Casper's eye since Spook died. The weirdest thing is Cookie closely resembles Spook who died. If grey mixes with blue ( Casper being a YF2 ), would I end up with grey greens out of these two or is she a mauve (she is a funny colour.....somewhere between a mauve and a violet )

PS regarding Radar .......Nerwen once said " when the violet gene is mixed with the green ( or normal) gene you get a bird that looks like an Olive. We could be wrong about what Radar is....."

I firmly believe Radar isn't a greygreen ......I think he is a violet green which makes him an olive colour. All his babies end up mauves and violets with the odd green thrown into the mix. I believe Radar was the product of a violet / green parentage. He is a mystery. But this articles by Peter Bergmann is very interesting ....peter bergmann

QUOTE " Violet budgerigars surfaced in several countries at about the same time not long after the introduction of the Dark factor and as blue budgerigars became increasingly common. According to Australian records Violets were developed in the early 1930s. A Mr. Burton of Sydney bred Violets prior to 1934 and Violets were exhibited that year by a Mr. Harold Pier. References to purple or violet coloured budgerigars in Germany and Britain go back to the mid 1920s. Interestingly most books state that Violets first appeared in the 1930s. Cobalts appeared for the first time in 1920 having been bred from Dark Greens. Dark Greens were first established at Blanchard’s Aviaries in France in 1915 but it is unclear whether they arose from a fresh mutation or were imported in consignments of wild budgerigars. English importers had claimed that Dark Greens were to be found among batches of wild Greens estimated at about one in 10,000 to 20,000.

 

A problem with this scenario is that Violet Light Greens look very much like Dark Greens and Violet Skyblues look very much like Cobalts and are easily confused. Judging from the broad distribution of the Violet factor early in its history it seems likely that Violet Light Greens had been bred alongside Dark Greens for some years in the 1920s, and perhaps earlier, but were not recognised as being genetically different to Dark Greens at the time. I suspect that the Violet factor like the Dark factor originally arose from wild caught birds and that some of the wild caught “Dark Greens” were in actual fact Violet Light Greens.".........

Here is Radar

also I have Clyde (often mistaken for a cobalt budgie) but he is in fact a sky violet producing violet babies on a regular basis

The violet gene is fascinating.

Edited July 13, 200618 yr by Bubbles

I agree with Radar he did not look greygreen in real life. His tail isn't black like the picture but a dark blue.

 

As to Bubbles he was a yellowface grey the yellow bleed would give a greygreen/dark green look to the bird.

 

Cookie is a tpe of blue, looking at the cheek spots on her. There are mauve violets that look greyish.

 

*thinks she need to do a grey lesson*

If grey mixes with blue ( Casper being a YF2 ), would I end up with grey greens out of these two

to get noraml grey you need the grey gene and the blue gene. so no greygreen from a two blue based birds. as stated above the bleed from type 2 can make them look grey green.

I agree with Radar he did not look greygreen in real life. His tail isn't black like the picture but a dark blue.

 

As to Bubbles he was a yellowface grey the yellow bleed would give a greygreen/dark green look to the bird.

 

Cookie is a tpe of blue, looking at the cheek spots on her. There are mauve violets that look greyish.

 

*thinks she need to do a grey lesson*

If grey mixes with blue ( Casper being a YF2 ), would I end up with grey greens out of these two

to get noraml grey you need the grey gene and the blue gene. so no greygreen from a two blue based birds. as stated above the bleed from type 2 can make them look grey green.

Silly me.....A YF2 is a blue bird of course....not the green that they appear to be. So, maybe we get some blue opalines from Cookie and Casper....maybe even some YF blues ? some mauves ?

Cheers guys..........

http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/birds/LG-022-04.jpg

 

Here is a grey green normal.

 

Bubbles to me looks like a yellow face grey dominant pied.

Dad lookes like a Yellow face type II Parblue Dominant pied (note the bleed in the green)

Mum looks like a yellow face grey opaline.

 

Radar looks like a grey green or possibly an olive. (Double Dark Factor)

Clive looks like a Skyblue normal

 

Bubble I am confussed on what two you want to mate ... :ausb:

 

Please point them out again.

Edited July 14, 200618 yr by daz

Daz these two have eggs

a result from these would be ? THIS IS THE PAIR>

 

if " quote ....Mum looks like a yellow face grey opaline" then you must have some pickles or mustard on your pc monitor :ausb: cos Mum is a grey opaline in this photo

and Clyde is definitely a sky violet http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c.../violets01.html

You know how hard it is the photograph blue and see it well on a monitor......These are older photos of Clyde I will try for better ones.

Re Radar.....definitely not grey green. I am saying violet green for him which appears olive. .....he has a legring on and I would like to know his history......any ideas ?

Edited July 14, 200618 yr by Bubbles

okay Karen

 

If they are what you think they are here is the out come.

 

Males could be:

 

Visual Violet, Split Opaline, Split Yellow Face type I

Normal Green, Split Opaline, Split Yellow Face type I

Single Factor Violet, Split Opaline, Split Yellow Face type I

 

 

Females could be:

 

Visual Violet, Split Yellow Face type I

Normal Green, Split Yellow Face type I

Single Factor Violet, Split Yellow Face type I

 

 

Hope for the best.

Edited July 14, 200618 yr by daz

err thoses answers don't seem to match to the parents.

 

Dad is a yellowface type 2 normal and Mum is a mauve (possible mauve violet) opaline.

ummm a yellow face crossed with a normal(Other) gives Normal (others) split to Yellowface.

 

So a Yellowface male crossed with a Opaline Female should give Normals split to yellow faces and Males that are split to Opaline.

 

a Yellow Face crossed with a Normal Split to yellowface should give 50% normals split to yellow faces and 50% yellowfaces.

 

 

Colour wise I am only going on what Karen is telling me of Violet Skyblues. :ausb:

unless the other 'normal' is a normal blue then the yellowface gene is dominant to it, so there should be 50% YF and 50% whitefaces, if the YF is only singlefactor.

I didn't know that..there you go you learn something everyday. :ausb:

 

I have crossed a Cobalt(male)

 

with a Cinnamon Skyblue Yellowface Type I (female)

 

Two offspring.

Male = Cobalt

Female = Skyblue Yellowface type I

 

Won't know if split till 12months time. They will be coming out of the Breeding cage tomorrow.

Going into the Nursary for a few months.

 

Photos tomorrow.

Edited July 14, 200618 yr by daz

OMG OMG SHE had a YF baby YAY

 

I can't wait for piccies. I haven't seen many of your babies this time round :ausb:

 

as the genetic side I realise the confusion now glad it was cleared up.

Edited July 14, 200618 yr by Nerwen