Can you explain why it isn't a white wing?

Yup, white wing is a clear wing the second level of the mutation on a blue line bird, this is the dilute, the thrid level.

That's an explanation? Let's see if I understand. Blue is a colour. It has 3 colours. Blue, sky blue, and for the life of me can't remember the third.

These colours are the first level of the blue mutation.

Second level of the blue mutation is the white wings, also known as clear wings.

Third level is the dilutes. This makes the colour of the 3 blues paler.

Please tell me there are no more levels

 

Edit* And one bird can have all 3 levels? eg: It can be white wing sky blue dilute?

 

If I got it wrong I'm going to go out the back and shoot myself :hap:

Edited November 21, 200519 yr by Lin

*faints*

*peaks at words*

*dies*

 

 

okay now how did we get all mixed up

 

let me gather some things to help me.

 

This is a dilute blue

 

This is a dilute green

 

What we are looking at here, and naming is the strength of colour, not the acuall colour.

 

This is a Greywing Blue- the first level of the dilute mutation. See how the strength of colour on the body of the bird is normal but the wings are clearly grey over black.

 

This is a clearwing Green. Also known to many as a yellow wing. The colour on the wings are lighter than the greywing, yet the colour (this time green) is still strong. If the bird was blue (sorry can't find one) then they are also called whitewing.

 

 

Blue is a colour. It has 3 colours

Yes you also have three level of blue in budges (sky blue, blue and mauve) But that is different to this mutation. That has to do with having and not having a dark factor gene.

 

*chews fingernails to bone* I hope this helps.

Edited November 21, 200519 yr by Nerwen

Oh Nerwen, yes I'm sorry, I knew that I was just trying to get the whole blue thing down in my head. I know that dilution is how dark, but did I get blue as a whole right? Oops, I know what I mean, but I can't explain!

 

And then I will try for the greywing blue, which is something new to me!

Don't forget Parblue Nerwen. It is a recessive gene in the blue family but is dominant to the recessive blue gene.

Daz- stop trying to confuse the newbies I was talking about dark factors Parblue is a different gene once again.

 

I think you made a typeo and meant recessive to the normal green and dominant over the blue gene.

 

Lin (and others) you can ignore this part just me and daz having a chat :hap:

Edited November 21, 200519 yr by Nerwen

Did I get the blue strain down so far? Am I right? Please say yes, I'd hate to have to shoot myself

Blue is a colour. It has 3 colours. Blue, sky blue, and for the life of me can't remember the third.

 

This bit is correct yes

Okay, whilst I clean the gun, can you tell me what the third colour is?

Yup, white wing is a clear wing the second level of the mutation on a blue line bird, this is the dilute, the thrid level.

This is where I got the levels from, so what was wrong with

Second level of the blue mutation is the white wings, also known as clear wings.

Is there more to it? Obviously, grey wings, but of course I'm ignoring that

Third level is the dilutes. This makes the colour of the 3 blues paler.

Please tell me there are no more levels tongue.gif

 

Edit* And one bird can have all 3 levels? eg: It can be white wing sky blue dilute?

And I'm wrong here? Can you tell me how? I really thought I had it I thought I understood blue Darn budgies, just have to be so difficult

hey Lin I think you are doing pretty good

Daz- stop trying to confuse the newbies I was talking about dark factors Parblue is a different gene once again.

 

I think you made a typeo and meant recessive to the normal green and dominant over the blue gene.

 

Lin (and others) you can ignore this part just me and daz having a chat

 

 

 

Lin (and others) you can ignore this part just me and nerwen having a chat

 

 

I think you made a typeo

Yep I did :ausb:

 

The same gene that when fully active results in blue pigmentation can also be half active causing a colour between blue and green (partially blue -parblue) :dbb1:

 

The hardest thing to remember is that a Blue budgie doesn't have a blue gene to cause it. A normal budgie is green, mixture of blue and yellow. Take away the yellow and he is blue. take away the blue and he is yellow.

 

How that Nerwen?

Okay, whilst I clean the gun, can you tell me what the third colour is?

I told you above -mauve

 

Second level of the blue mutation is the white wings, also known as clear wings.

there is nothing wrong with this it's perfect Wait did I say that your you? I'm all confused with the quotes now.

 

Third level is the dilutes. This makes the colour of the 3 blues paler.

Please tell me there are no more levels tongue.gif

 

Edit* And one bird can have all 3 levels? eg: It can be white wing sky blue dilute?

And I'm wrong here? Can you tell me how? I really thought I had it I thought I understood blue Darn budgies, just have to be so difficult

 

This is wrong, one bird can not be all three levels at once, becuase this gene works on the same area simply at different strengths.

 

 

 

The same gene that when fully active results in blue pigmentation can also be half active causing a colour between blue and green (partially blue -parblue)

 

The hardest thing to remember is that a Blue budgie doesn't have a blue gene to cause it. A normal budgie is green, mixture of blue and yellow. Take away the yellow and he is blue. take away the blue and he is yellow.

 

How that Nerwen?

 

good

Edited November 28, 200519 yr by Nerwen

Okay, bear with me Nerwen. So, a bird can be either a white wing, or a dilute but not both? I think I got it

yep That's it.

Yay! A very exhausted yay

Okay, bear with me Nerwen. So, a bird can be either a white wing, or a dilute but not both? I think I got it :ausb:

 

 

yep :sad: That's it.

 

 

**head spins** Are you sure? Then what is Crystal?

 

 

He does not have the white tail, so is not classified as a clearflight. I'm guessing he is probably somewhere between 50% and 75% diluted from a normal skyblue, tail included. I thought he would be classified a white wing dilute pied...

No No No Rainbow your mixing the clear FLIGHT with clear WING.

 

I would mark him as a grey wing dominant pied. The fact that his flight feathers are white has to do with the pied gene not the dilute gene.

How can he be greywing with white wings? Here is my understanding, maybe I am confused since it is late. :ausb: Clearflights have the white flights and white tail (as in continental clearflight) which is a pied characteristic. Whitewings should have no markings anywhere on the wing, but that is almost impossible to get, and the body color should be full. I have two greywings (Mystery and Blossom) and their body color is close to full also. Crystal is not a clearflight since his tail is not white. His wing markings are too light to be a greywing, plus his flight feathers are the wrong color.

 

Am I confusing myself? Help??

Edited November 29, 200519 yr by Rainbow

well last time i looked at the picture he seemed darker, but looking now yes he does seem too light to be a greywing. I still say the only reason for the white clear flights is becuase of the pied gene, you don't have to have a matching tail, you might to get a continental clearflight but for for a simple dominant pied. Now white wing is a blue term for clear wing. So Crystal is a Clearwing(whitewing) dominant pied. The second level of the dilution gene.

So because the markings on the wings is lighter than a greywing it would be a clear wing any lighter and he would be a dilute. And since the body colour is top banded he would be a dominant Pied. ....Yes?

Daz, what do you mean by top banded? His body color is solid, no pied banding. He is a pied though. But I think he must be a dilute since all of his coloring is much less intense than normal. As I said before, his blue coloring is over 50% diluted from a normal blue, and you can look at the markings on his wings and the color of his tail and see they are diluted as well. Could I be defining "dilute" in the wrong way?

 

Just when you thought you knew something.... :hap:

oh I thought you meant the woing patterns been 50% lighter. Well I would still think a clearwing, what the breeder is aiming for is a strong body color and grey wings, but it doesn't always work that way. But then I guess too he could be a poor dilute, to have strong wing markings.

Recap:

 

What is this and why:

 

What is this and why:

 

What is this and why:

1 - dominant pied because he has a pied spot, has markings on chest (recessive's usually have them lower) and he has a blue cere not the pink that he would have if he were recessive.

2 - greywing? lighter wing markings but body colour doesn't look diluted from this angle (face looks creamy but i think that's just my monitor?)

3 - golden face spangle? because isn't that Freckle and i'm sure that's what she is.

Edited December 7, 200519 yr by Bea