I don't really want to breed but the lady at the pet shop said it's better to let them have babies not just keep trying to have eggs and me taking them out. Is this like it's better to have your dog have one litter before getting de sexed? Because i don't believe in that. I have no experience with baby bird except the ones kicked out of the nest around here like black birds etc and that was hard enough let alone if it died or was killed by it's parents etc. So would it be okay to just take them out or will they not have any if i don't put in a nest box?

If you don't have a box it is very unlikely they will lay eggs, although on rare occassions they will. Please don't listen to the lady at the pet store, they don't 'need' to have a clutch, any more than dogs or cats 'need' to have a litter.

Breeding budgies is not as easy as they make out, and if you are not completely comitted and very well read on the subject it can be quite tragic. And, it doesn't sound like you want to

Hi and welcome, hope you'll stick around and join in the insanity on here. We love pictures, so if you can post some please do!

FIRST OF ALL YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR NOT JUST GOING INTO SOMETHING YOU DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT, .GOOD FOR YOU, BEING CAREFUL. SECONDLY THEY CAN STILL LAY EGGS EVEN OUT OF THE BOXES, I HAD A HEN THAT LAID TWO EGGS ON THE LEDGE IN THE AVIARY, UNFORTUNATELY THEY ROLLED OFF AND CRACKED, AND HAVE ALSO READ ON HERE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO'S BIRDS HAVE LAID IN CAGES TOO WITHOUT BOXES IN. GOOD LUCK

LOVE DAWN JUST READ LINS POST ASWELL, AFTER I HAD POSTED..........THE INSANITY SHE IS REFFERING TO IS HERSELF SO JUST BEWARE.YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, AND IF SHE OFFERS YOU TO COME POLISH HER MEAT CLEAVER BE DOUBLE AWARE (Laughing out loud). BUT ANYHOW HOPE YOU ENJOY THE FORUM ITS VERY HELPFUL

Edited October 17, 200519 yr by telmadee

FIRST OF ALL YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR NOT JUST GOING INTO SOMETHING YOU DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT, .GOOD FOR YOU, BEING CAREFUL. SECONDLY THEY CAN STILL LAY EGGS EVEN OUT OF THE BOXES, I HAD A HEN THAT LAID TWO EGGS ON THE LEDGE IN THE AVIARY, UNFORTUNATELY THEY ROLLED OFF AND CRACKED, AND HAVE ALSO READ ON HERE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO'S BIRDS HAVE LAID IN CAGES TOO WITHOUT BOXES IN. GOOD LUCK

LOVE DAWN JUST READ LINS POST ASWELL, AFTER I HAD POSTED..........THE INSANITY SHE IS REFFERING TO IS HERSELF SO JUST BEWARE.YOU AHVE BEEN WARNED, AND IF SHE OFFERS YOU TO COME POLISH HER MEAT CLEAVER BE DOUBLE AWARE LOL. BUT ANYHOW HOPE YOU ENJOY THE FORUM ITS VERY HELPFUL

 

 

Dawn why are you shouting......

 

Hi lilly. Welcome to our forum.

 

Both Telmadee (Dawn) and Lin are correct.

 

Don't breed your budgies if you don't want to. They don't have to breed and will live a long and healthy Life with your care and your love.

 

Enjoy the forum, also if you have any questions about Budgies....Ask. We are all here to help.

I agree.

 

I don't really want to breed

 

That's the best reason not to. I also disagree with the nonsense that dogs or cats must have a litter first. It's ridiculous what some people will say when they have no clue what they're talking about! :(Laughing out loud):

 

Enjoy your budgies and the site!

Edited October 17, 200519 yr by eterri

i dont have any experience with breeding budgies but i do know that the clutch would then be your responsibilty and therefore if you dont want to breed you shouldnt. as for the de sexing of dogs most people say you should let a ***** come into season 1st then let her be spayed (sp?) so she is not actually having a litter of pups.

ATD

oh and welcome to the forum:D

Edited October 17, 200519 yr by Sky

That's a myth, you can have a female doggy spayed without letting it come into season first. Letting it come into season just means you might accidently end up with puppies. Males are very persistant! All you'd have to do is let her out in the yard for a few minutes.

 

I think she was referring to a different myth (excuse) many people use though. They'll say that they need to let their dog actually have a litter of puppies so that she'll have had the "experience" of raising pups first. It's ridiculous.

 

I think many vets won't spay or neuter a dog until six months of age or more but others don't mind doing it earlier. Depends on the vet.

It's best to get female cats and dogs spayed once their wombs are mature, usually 6 months, otherwise the vet can accidentally leave a piece behind, leading to infection (this is due to how small everything is, or so a vet told me). I had one dog once come into heat at 4 1/2 months, and it was not something I would ever like to repeat. She was terrified! And if she had had a litter at that age, it probably would have killed her.

Basically there is no medical reason to allow any animal to have 'just one' lot of babies. It is done for the owner's benefit! There are way too many unwanted animals in this world. *Climbs down, stops preaching*

Welcome to the forums!! As people have said, definitely don't breed unless you want to and have researched breeding thoroughly first.

Yes the dog thing is true, being 6 months and they say as early as possible (after 6 months) because the more times they come into heat the more chance of them getting cancerous cells.

Thanks for the welcome.

Pics of lilly are here..

Lilly

I haven't gotten any of Billy yet, my second blue budgie.

 

Christie

Awww....Lilly is gorgeous!! And your dog (i assume) is absolutely adorable!! Especially in the first 2 pics!

Oh, lovely budgie, but I want that dog! How beautiful, and looks like a big, gentle giant. Your a young pretty too!

 

*Note to Julie - warning another young pretty*

What have you got against 'young pretties' Lin? You must have been a young pretty...probably still are but i guess we'll never know *sigh*.

I have nothing against young pretties Bea, I am just plain old jealous!

Yes, I used to be a young pretty, but that was a looooong time ago!

That's a myth, you can have a female doggy spayed without letting it come into season first. Letting it come into season just means you might accidently end up with puppies. Males are very persistant! All you'd have to do is let her out in the yard for a few minutes.

 

I think she was referring to a different myth (excuse) many people use though. They'll say that they need to let their dog actually have a litter of puppies so that she'll have had the "experience" of raising pups first. It's ridiculous.

 

I think many vets won't spay or neuter a dog until six months of age or more but others don't mind doing it earlier. Depends on the vet.

 

it depends what vet you take your ***** to becuase i know a lot around here (UK) advise you to allow them to come into season at least once, maybe there is some truth behind this "myth" .

as for letting them have "experience" with rasing a litter that is a complete myth.

ATD

Lin now bea have. Stop having a go at the youngsters.

Sky, there's no reason at all that you should have to let the female come into heat first. Waiting until she is at least six months old might be what they mean?

Edited October 18, 200519 yr by eterri

my vet said that my ***** should have her first season before her operation

Could be that he/she was making sure she was old enough?

 

Yes, here it is:

 

WHEN TO SPAY: There is firm medical research indicating that if a dog spay surgery is performed before the dog's first estrus cycle (heat) the chances for developing mammary gland cancer later in life is nearly zero. (See a surgery to remove a mammary cancer here.) If a dog goes through one heat cycle and then is spayed, the chances of mammary cancer later in life are slightly reduced. And if a dog has three or more estrus cycles and then is spayed there is no protective influence against developing mammary cancer. In addition, any dog that is spayed will have no chance of developing a potentially fatal uterus infection called Pyometra. Many veterinarians recommend spaying dogs at about six months of age, which is generally prior to a dog's first heat cycle. Some veterinarians will suggest that the surgery be done at four or five months of age. Be sure to have a discussion with your veterinarian about the "whens" and "whys" of spaying. There is no particularly convincing reason to let a dog "have one heat cycle" or "just one litter" prior to spaying.

 

This is from http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/sp.html but if you visit the site be aware it contains graphic pictures of a spay. If you're squeamish don't look!

 

So they probably say that just to make sure the dog is old enough? That's my guess anyway and would explain why it's so common to hear. The reasons for waiting have gotten a little miscontrued I think.

wouldnt like to say as i didnt question it my pets have been to this vet practice for 22 years

Yes, here it is:

 

WHEN TO SPAY: There is firm medical research indicating that if a dog spay surgery is performed before the dog's first estrus cycle (heat) the chances for developing mammary gland cancer later in life is nearly zero. (See a surgery to remove a mammary cancer here.) If a dog goes through one heat cycle and then is spayed, the chances of mammary cancer later in life are slightly reduced. And if a dog has three or more estrus cycles and then is spayed there is no protective influence against developing mammary cancer. In addition, any dog that is spayed will have no chance of developing a potentially fatal uterus infection called Pyometra. Many veterinarians recommend spaying dogs at about six months of age, which is generally prior to a dog's first heat cycle. Some veterinarians will suggest that the surgery be done at four or five months of age. Be sure to have a discussion with your veterinarian about the "whens" and "whys" of spaying. There is no particularly convincing reason to let a dog "have one heat cycle" or "just one litter" prior to spaying.

 

This is from http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/sp.html but if you visit the site be aware it contains graphic pictures of a spay. If you're squeamish don't look!

 

So they probably say that just to make sure the dog is old enough? That's my guess anyway and would explain why it's so common to hear. The reasons for waiting have gotten a little miscontrued I think.